Face Book - I Still Dont Get It

it sounds like you get it. congrats.

facebook is nothing more than a game. its an attempt to post as many copyright infringed images with funny messages on them, as you can. try to generate comments and likes that have no value. and to gain as many friends as you can, so you can post your vacation snap shots with them, pictures of your feet, pets, and food that you ate. and see how many of those will get likes as well. there really isn't much of anything with facebook.

sometimes you can get invited or simply placed in groups you never asked to be in. i had to remove myself from a paranormal group someone just tossed me into

most friends are people from here. i get the occasional sale or fan from that place.

its just another place to be in.

advantages:

1. cat recipes.
2. connect with family members you didn't know existed.
3. connect with people from high school you never cared about.
4. you can tell people your alive - the storm didn't kill you. however only a few will see it because of all the cat recipe's.
5. you can see a preview of abbies next avatar
6. you can take advantage of bit strips, to waste more of your time.
7. that's it i think.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

This is something I'd be interested in hearing opinions and ideas about as well. I do plan on putting up a facebook page some time this year but I want to have a plan on how to use it to promote my business first. I have a personal account and use it very little, maybe look at it once/day and only post on it if I have new work, but only share not promote. Like Robert it doesn't make much sense to me either, but neither does Twitter but I'm using it and getting used to it even though I still have a hard time believing it will lead to anything.

google does see if your there or not btw. they take it into account when ranking you. why? i have no idea.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Face Book has always seemed a jumble to me.

... not intuitive

... virtually impossible to edit, because its creators want you to work too hard to figure out how to erase something

... all of what Mike S. said (thanks Mike)

... shallow

... inauthentic (I'm repeating myself now)

... just one big game that wastes a lot of people's time with some sort of fanciful delusion that it is THE place to be.

I don't even know how to delete my account. The creators do not want me too. They want me to be indentured to the glorious fabrication that is Face Book for all eternity.

I'm only here for the cat recipes.

Yup having friends and family is a must for FB.

Has no redeeming value what so ever.

And if you think FB is a waste of time, just try Twitter. It's a wasteland in which you can wander endlessly. A million people talking at once, about themselves, with their fingers stuffed in their ears.

Life is short.

the biggest issue is - people sharing very private things with a million people. partly because facebook changes its privacy rules every few minutes and make it really hard to fix it (and don't announce it). and others forget they have 2000 friends, and tell people their medical issues, vacation plans and status. 4 square alerts everyone exactly where you are, so we can mug you later.

too many images of cats and recipes - i call them cat recipes. in case i broke a rule some place.


facebook used to be for kids only. they could make up a name, get their friends in there and talk about their hidden lives. how much the drank, and a bunch of other things. later on, parents wanted to spy on them, and then they were hooked. employers often pry into your private life to see what you said, and then don't hire you. kids moved on to something else, i don't know what, but it will be the next big thing. meanwhile, the site was set up for kids, but now only adults seem to be on it. and they don't really have lives from what i can tell. and start posting like crazy. george takei - the only thing he posts are memes that he finds from meme sites. he puts a witty banter on (which you then have to repeat in his deep voice). and then share it with everyone.

i check into that place every few days. check the other box, because you get mail there, and they don't tell you. and that's pretty much that. you can see all my avatars there as well... yay.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

google is worse. besides having many hidden rules that can get you banned. you create circles. messages you only want certain people to hear. so you can tell people about your date with just your friends. or tell everyone what a saint you are. i never really went back to google plus.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

I love Facebook! It's my neighborhood where I get to catch up with friends, share interesting posts, articles and of course cat videos. It's not everyone's cup of tea.I have family in Europe and keep up with them on Facebook. Oh, and Facebook is one word.

I've reconnected with a number of people finding me on Facebook. Only lost one friend so far because of it.

The more people you have in your circle the less you can speak your mind.

.. and "updating your status" ... this should be something that involves some status that you have clearly made obvious.

... status of what? .. , marital status?, ... status of health?, ... status in the community?, ... how is it that "status" has come to mean such a generic, all-inclusive word that includes ANYTHING anybody might type on a keyboard? By such logic, I could just log in, pound on the keys like a clueless monkey, and Face Book would register this as "updating my status", ... laughable, ridiculous, an abomination of diluting language to mindless gibberish.

I'm not so in tune to cats, but I make my own dog food. Maybe I should go post my dog food recipe, so I can get a zillion meaningless "likes" and a zillion meaningless "invites" or "friends requests" or perhaps inquiries for MY version of a cat-food rework of my dog food recipe. Hey, better still, I should post a video of the dog eating my homemade dog food off my semi-naked body. I have the potential to go viral there. I need to step up.

So, I cannot even spell it correctly.

... shows what a huge impact it has had on my life.

P.S., I should post a link to this discussion, trash talking the place, and create a new feature -- DISlikes. Yes, that's it, I want to be different. I want

DISlikes and UNfriend requests and DEmoting my status, ... the negative of what it is.

Robert Kernodle has just demoted his status. Unlike him at Facebook (one word, ... after six years, at least he has learned now to spell it right).

every status, single, married, engaged, stuck in traffic, slow day, bored, day, just saw a bird, check out the picture of my bird, bird recipe.

post the dog recipe, skip the body, don't need the visual.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

when i was learning about it, some grey bloke more or less taught me what this place was about




---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Funny video. Very illuminating, for sure.

My categories of "friends":

* People For Whom I Have Zero Clue About How They Even Arrived At My Page

* Scholars That Have No Tenure Or Teaching Positions Who Now Have A Place To Profess Their Radical New Theories

* Seemingly Attractive Women Who Write To Me In Terms Of Endearment Like "Hon" Or "Sweetie" Who Are Most Likely Prostitutes Looking For Their Next John

* Brash Outspoken Thinkers Looking For Any Place To Deposit Their Thoughts Of The Day

i agree with mike video

The crowd here is much more forgiving of transgressions then friends and family. ;-)

I see it basically as a place where people brag about their activities.

I have two facebook 'accounts' - I have no clue what to do with either of them - I joined the one because a group I belonged to closed their old 'Yahoo" group and started it up on facebook - they are folks I've known since 2000 or so - some are indeed 'friends'. As for "Friends and family" - no one understands why I'm not friends with relatives and "real" friends.

Facebook sucks....

Facebook is the single most successful thing on the internet ever.....in history. Its spawned an entirely new way for society to interact with each other. I'm not huge into facebook except to keep in touch with a few people who otherwise I would lose touch with. My close friends and family I interact with on a daily basis via phone, or in person. However, from a business perspective, you go where the masses are, so if you don't care about, understand, or get facebook, you are losing out on huge potential because quite frankly people spend more time on Facebook than any other site on the internet, and its not even CLOSE.

Quite frankly it sounds like those of you who don't get it don't enjoy interaction with others......which is fine.

Now get off my lawn ya hooligan whippersnappers!

If you do decide to actually post on Facebook and make it public, send me those dog food recipes. and yes, I am being serious

I
LOVE
FACEBOOK

My wife loves facebook. She has friends.
I don't. So I perceive it as a place where content you don't care about is pushed down your throat.
When I search for stuff there (hummingbirds!) the results seem hit-or-miss.
But since it's a place where others can see your stuff, particularly if you get pushy, that might be ok.
How to be nice about being pushy, and how to push at all are my questions.

I don't want to be "pushing" content on my friends every time I take a photo.

Twitter does not seem quite as bad. I mostly just see stuff I've expressed an interest in following.
But many of the same problems apply as regards reasonable ettiquette.

I find myself looking at it less and less. My wife check my page now more than I do. She avoids it wisely for her career. To many incidents of people getting fired over FB or having weird things like a subordinate trying to friend you.

Sean knows I am crazy so I am fine

@Mike ,,,Hilarious


advantages:

1. cat recipes.
2. connect with family members you didn't know existed.
3. connect with people from high school you never cared about.
4. you can tell people your alive - the storm didn't kill you. however only a few will see it because of all the cat recipe's.
5. you can see a preview of abbies next avatar
6. you can take advantage of bit strips, to waste more of your time.
7. that's it i think.




Can't stand the Zuckerman.. found a comment that he said he couldn't believe all these idiots are giving me their personal info..

For experiment one time. I opened an account put that I was a museum flunky in Moscow and got one friend that had 4000 friends,within a month I had almost five thousand friends because all their friends wanted to be my friends.. I posted a few photos and joined some art clubs and it was pages and pages and pages of post ..This was an experiment. none of the people knew who I was because I put a photo of the museum.. and all these people joining wanted me to like their page so I did.. the whole thing was bewildering..As I decided I had enough and found out enough I posted that I was closing my account and there were a group of people begging me to think about it and not do it.. I didn't even know these people. I deleted all the friends and photos and closed the account.

When I came to FAA I opened an account in my name, posting my profile photo and background and information and started getting a bazzilon friend request and accepted..After a few days I deleted all friends and profile photo ,personal info and still have the account and people asking to join me.. and for what reason I have no idea.. Anyway I have an account there but it is just an account ,no clubs,no groups,nothing just a name and some random photos. so I guess I probably should close it but now you can log into many sites just using your facebook log in.. weird. huh? Cant believe just because you have a facebook account then you are worthy to log in to whatever you want.. They have no idea who you are..

I think facebook is a collectors site.. collect all friends.. like collect all toys from a cereal box.. weird but true.. people with 5000 friends..come on.. im 60 and I don't count on one hand how many "real"friends I have ever had.. just saying.. weird..

Never used farcebook. Never seen the need.

When I want to contact my friends or family I use e-mails.
Or I talk to them via Skype, that way I can see them as well.
Or even use that old-fasioned thing called a telephone.

Cat recipes?,....dog recipes?,.....bird recipes?..............are that many on Facebook really eating all those critters?

Looks like I'm not missing out on anything.

I always thought Facebook was being used by FAA members for marketing recipes to make sales..

Think I'll just stay with liking the FAA discussions group social network.

deep fried anything tastes good.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

I cannot stand FB - I am sick of all the baby pics, recipes, inane garbage that I see everyday, but, I have to have it for the groups I am involved in, otherwise it would be gone

Robert, I share your feelings about Facebook.Awhile ago I did a Google search,and entered in How to close a Facebook Account. There is away but it's not easy,a bazillion steps to follow. We surely live in a wacky world.lol I'm still on but only have eight friends,thats six to many.

Movie: The Social Network.

I have 83 friends on my personal page. By choice. I used to have over 600! There is no way to be friends with that many people!! So I started culling the herd regularly until I got down to people i actually like and interact with regularly. Nasty people.....gone. Too many selfies and narcissism....gone. Constant pictures of animals with half their brains hanging out/abused....gone. Political nazis...gone. Bigots...gone. Now I LOVE Facebook...I am among true "friends" many I have met in person. I get to share my humor and feelings and get genuine responses. Facebook can be a great place or you can fill it with people that have no place in your life. That is YOUR choice. I don't get cat recipes....I guess I've culled those people too. ;)

My fan page has nearly 5K...I make sales by being connected to those people. I only interact to if someone comments on my work or sends me a message. It's pretty low maintenance.

Studies have been done showing something like 500 people in a social network is the max a human can handle. I think I'm at the lower end of the spectrum. Like Sharon points out, some people just drop themselves out.

I actually think Google+ is better for artists. Seems more image based.

Lady IFAS,

About homemade dog food: Some websites will tell you that it is not that labor intensive, but I beg to differ. It takes me about five hours every five or six days to make a batch the way I make it. I feed it to a German Shepherd dog. [Cats like it too, Mike S., but it probably would need to be tweaked with a bit more chicken and less veggies and carbs to match their nutritional needs.]

No need to post on Facebook, when I can post it here, per your request:

* 10 to 12 pounds of chicken leg quarters
* 8 carrots
* 4 stalks of celery
* 8 dried bay leaves
* 1 teaspoon of salt (some would argue with this)
* 2 large sweet potatoes
* 4 pounds of brown rice
* 1 medium head of cabbage
* 1 pound or so of green beans
* 4 to 6 egg shells left over from breaking eggs for other meals (NOT rinsed, ...kept in a container in the freezer)

> 2 large pots
> 1 large wok
> 2 large spoons
> 1 large plastic mixing pan (like you use to wash dishes)
> 1 or 2 sharp knives
> 1 meat cleaver
> 1 spatula
> 1 colander
> 4 large coffee containers (for packing and storing)
> 1 space allocation in the refrigerator

15 minutes to gather carrots, celery, bay leaves and raw chicken into the pots
60 minutes to boil the chicken, carrots, celery, and bay leaves
60 minutes to remove chicken from pots, place on pan, and cool
20 minutes to pick the cooked, cooled chicken off the bones and return bones/skin/gristles to the broth, along with added eggshells
3 hours to bring the bone/broth mixture to a boil, reduce heat to very low, and simmer
10 minutes to pick bones and other debris out of the broth, strain with colander, and return clean broth to one of the cleaned pots
45 minutes to add rice to clean broth and cook
10 minutes to microwave sweet potatoes
10 minutes to chop the head of cabbage into bite size
45 minutes to cook the cabbage and green beans in residual broth that is run off from the bone mixture, plus a little olive oil added to the wok
10 minutes to cut the cooked chicken into bite size (easier if you store in refrigerator over night to produce a glob that you can partition into panels for slicing)
15 minutes to mix all together, place in used coffee-container storage receptacles, and put in the refrigerator

Did I say five hours? Well, it's more like six or more (I did not add up my listed time estimates here for the labor).

The NOT- rinsed egg shells preserve nutrients from the egg's liquid membrane lining, which is good for the dog's bones and joints, along with the bone nutrition from long-cooking bone broth. It takes this long to get the nutrition out of those bones.

Yes, I'm insane for doing this (I've been doing it for years non-stop), and yes, the dog eats like royalty. No time, you see for the Facebook delusion, since I spend much of my web time here. Only so many internet hours in the day.

Those daggum kids with their blasted computers!

"I'm learning hands-on, you busy with your face in books"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPHHudm0NTY

With two growing GSD's this is very handy, thank you!

They have a FB page too :P

How long will that recipe last you?

I think he said he does it weekly.....

I saw this on a car bumper sticker:

" I Love my Computer...All My Friends Live There "

How sad

when there is a power out, people find out how alone they really are.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Facebook is what you make it. Don't want to see baby pics and political garbage? You can hide, unfollow or defriend the guilty party. If they're sharing from a group or political party, you can also make it so that you never see posts from, for example, Bacon Lovers of America or Cutest Baby Pics Ever! It doesn't take a long time. You don't have to go through the news feed religiously or even at all. You can share as much or as little as you want. Or not at all. To me, not being on Facebook at all is like not having a phone in the 1950s.

I love Facebook myself. For a rail fan or a fan of planes, I get all kinds of heads up notifications. There was recently an office car train that came through the Carolinas. We knew when it left Altoona, Pennsylvania and the planned route basically as it was leaving. Folks updated the status as it came south, some of them railroad workers, some of them people trackside with cameras. If I want to go to the overlook at the airport in Charlotte, I can find out which runways the planes are using and if they're landing or taking off at the ones closest to the lookout. Last night, I was on a public bus and saw a unique train engine, made a post to the relevant group and someone five miles away thanked me and said he was taking the long way home to shoot it then.

I saw this on a car bumper sticker:

" I Love my Computer...All My Friends Live There "
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Not to mention it does my pictures.

I love facebook , because I'm a voyeur. I don't use it to promote my art, but am thinking about starting a fan page for my art, only because FAA recently has the facebook app.

Well, I'm disappointed. I know there are artists that use Facebook to market their art effectively, (fan pages, not personal accounts) and was hoping for some tips but this just turned into a "slam Facebook" thread. I'm no fan of Facebook, I just want to use it as a marketing tool, that's why I'm using Twitter even though I think it's silly, but the time I have to spend on marketing is limited, I want to make sure I'm making the best use of it.

So, do any of you artists here actually use a Facebook fan page successfully to market your art? Please share with us how you do it.

David - I have done OK with placing Artwork on my Facebook page.
My FB Fan page isn't very interactive ( I think I may have signed up wrong somehow).

I just place photos or paintings of my newer works in. I like to capture images of my hometown areas that all my old High School friends are from ,
so naturally conversations ensue . & sales to follow.

If I post a FAA link, I get a few " Likes".
If I post image directly, I will be questioned as to where to purchase - & then I post the link. Not so spammy that way : )

Yes, of course I hate the drama of someone feeling denied a Pumpkin spice latte, & Selfies from the gym after losing 3 oz doing one hour's worth on the elliptical - so I put them in a " Hide" folder. I've seen enough cleavage to last a lifetime & it hasn't done a thing for me.

I think this info is FAA at its best.

Running for cover

not signed this time.

Thanks Janine, that's more of what I'm looking for. What do you mean by "If I post an image directly" ? How did you get followers to your fan page?

I like facebook much better than Twitter. I use my facebook page for more personal(I've had it for over 6 years). I'm only friends with my actual friends, and not a bunch of strangers. I also have a fan page that I've had for I think 3 years now. That's my main source of Portrait photography advertising locally. I keep it simple. I opened a twitter account in the fall and I'm still confused. The feed is so flooded with so much stuff that you can't see everything. It's so easy to miss postings by people you really want to watch. There my be a better way to keep your twitter feed to certain people but I haven't figured that out yet. I don't see how those following thousands of people can keep up with anything on twitter unless you're on there 24/7.

Anyways, I look at Facebook as a more personal thing except for my fan page, and then I use Twitter for the majority of my FineArt promotion. I've considered joining other social media sites, but those confuse me more than Twitter and I don't see how you can even get people to our FAA page from them.

David, all my online sales have originated through Facebook. I do work that uses certain towns and post those into their respective town pages. I have also responded to and sold to someone who had asked for images of his unique car. And, while it doesn't pertain to FAA, I have a line of "Biker in Training" baby and kids clothes on another site that I promote on some biker pages I am on and have sold a lot that way.

Right now I am doing a 2 week online seminar through Facebook on how to build, grow and maintain my floundering business.

It's all in what you make it.

I just upload a not so very high resolution photograph of my painting - watermarked w/ my signature or AW website.
so when it wanders - it still leads back.

& you invite your friends to you Fan page. There is a box there to do it. When they "Like" or comment on an image - their friends will see it.

A very lazy passive form of marketing where like-minded individuals can see your work. It helps to use keywords too.

Since this discussion is about Facebook, I assume that (as on Facebook) we can diverge to discuss anything under the sun. And since pet food was a subtopic here, which led to my dog food recipe, ... I figure that I can still talk about that too.

So, on the dog food question: The recipe I gave fills FOUR of those plastic coffee containers that you buy at the grocery store here in America. One of these containers supplies about THREE feedings each (can vary a bit, depending on how hungry you feel the dog is that day). So, generally, the recipe provides TWELVE feedings, which (if you feed two main meals a day) amounts to roughly SIX days. Somehow, I seem to go through it a bit faster on most preparations.

TWO German shepherds, .. whew!, ... that's pretty scary, Lady IFAS. I forgot to mention that I supplement this by giving the beast a pet vitamin every other day or so, just to be sure he is nutritionally fit. I started all this, because any commercial food available just seemed to wreck his system, as evidenced by his poop structure. So now we can diverge to the subtopic of poop physics in German shepherd dogs.

Dang!, ... maybe I SHOULD have posted all this on Facebook. Fecal physics ... seems right up there with cat food recipes.