Help - My Original Is Stuck In The Computer

Why do you come here and bait people, Monsieur? You should be working on your wonderful "real "art. I don't understand what you get out of this?

Actually - my originals are stuck on thumb/flash drives and on two external hard drives. I recall hauling a portfolio around with art in it, or slides, or photo copies of my work to show to galleries. Then it was a CD of my work - now, I can just haul out my thumb drive and plug it into the gallery computer. I realize that you have a hang-up on "original" paint on canvas - and if THAT is your bag - go with it.

I don't argue that displaying on a wall as "original" digital art is a bit of a quandary. How can a print be an original? Clearly it can't. But now you are hiding behind that claim because you feel that digital art cannot be fine art because you can't hang the original in a museum of gallery?

I argue that fine art is fine art, regardless of medium. Prove to me that it's not. And the notion that some museums/galleries won't display it is not proof, because there are museums and galleries that will display it.

I'm heading over to Best Buy to see the new photography show. They have some great new works by Sony, Canon and Nikon on display. Free admission.

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Might as well use this space for some advertising.

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I don't understand the point in these threads except to come to FAA and put everyone down. It rankles me.

Monsieur Danl....you have made it very clear from past posts that you do not feel computer generated art is real art....and perhaps even think only oil paintings are real art....good for you...you have opinions....

@ Edward...every best buy or just your particular store?

I feel bad for musicians. Imagine --- their originals are stuck in their lungs. They can only sell recordings.

There's a camera museum we found in Staunton, Virginia a few years ago that was very cool --

He is only baiting if you allow him to.

As for a computer on a wall. Well, why not? We do have digital art shows IN galleries now and they are on huge monitors. The computer could indeed be a part of the artwork as the art was designed on the thing. No more or less than having the art on the canvas it was designed on... Just as expensive nowadays also.

Good idea!

Oh darn, mine is stuck in the computer too.

I think MD has discovered the seduction of the digital world - the quickness between idea and execution.

He has a brilliant thought (usually concerning how to irrated people on this forum) and it can instantly take form as a thread topic.

With all seriousness it is this quickness between idea and execution is why I work digitally.

David Hockey been making paintings with his phone and the works been exhibiting at museums all over the world.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/the-ipad-is-an-artists-canvas-for-david-hockney/?_r=0

The ultimate is Sol LeWitt - "Help! My art is stuck on this piece of paper!"

This image started on b&w Ilford negative film. So... do I have to hang the small 35mm negatives on the galery wall ??? No I have to print it for the gallery. 25 years ago I was printing from film, now I print from digital files. So what ...????
This site sell PRINTS. Is it for you so difficult to understand ???

@Val - I think the show is being shown nationally. Every piece is unique as they are hand made.

Might was well check out the show at your local Staples too. Not only are they displaying the newest computer art but also paper, pencils and markers. All originals and untouched by thoughts, ideas or concepts.

Could be flat screen monitors covering the entire wall. Would put those paintings to shame. :)

And some of you are ALLOWING him to bait you.

Rick, indeed!

I bet there have already been art shows using big screen monitors showing images flash across the screens. But I actually do kinda like the idea of computers nailed to walls showing images the whole time. That could be cool.

"Could be flat screen monitors covering the entire wall...."


Make 'em touch screens, and have the experience interactive. :)

Lady and Greg

Great point....ashamed that others are not as creative as you in their thinking.

Abbie, its just so much fun to be baited!

Of course I've just about lost all respect for the man. It's like a professional basketball player hanging around an elementary school playground. Maybe he thinks he is playing the part of guru and imparting his wisdom us but it certainly comes across as mocking.

On the other hand he could just be narrow minded and unaware of a larger world then his own.

Then again maybe his views represent a portion of the art market and its a good mental exercise to think through the responses.

It's a bit disingenuous to say we are letting him bait us when we don't have moderator control. He comes here with one real purpose, to tell us how stupid we all are. The fact that he doesn't come right out and say it in those words just means he's a bit more creative than that.

What is a shame is that MD speaks as if he is an authority on digital and traditional art without even coming close to mastering either.

It does make you wonder why such a great artist would need to play mind games with the little people.

I do remember my former boss and I sitting around talking slide photography in 2002 and 2003 and bemoaning this new digital crap we were hearing so much talk about. We both agreed it would never amount to much and we'd never go digital. Haha. First Canon Digital Rebel came out in 2004 and I almost met the truck at the camera store bringing the first ones in! He waited out until the next Digital Rebel came out.

And we both laughed over ourselves the whole time saying we'd never step in a darkroom again!

Reminds me of a final exam once upon a time...there we were...the graduating class...consumed with our endless narrative in response to a statement by the prof. Notably -- one of us left, almost immediately. When we all met at the prof's house later that afternoon for our fond farewells -- he mentioned only one of us had responded correctly.


No endless dissertation expected -- the answer was "No."


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I got distracted during the early digital days being a father. Chemical fumes aren't good for kids to breath in and karate lessons came before camera upgrades.

Kind of glad I missed the rapid upgrade cycle of the early days.

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We should be encouraged by MDs first attempts at digital artwork as he posted in the OP. Maybe his resistance learn new things is weakening.

Carmen after watching the You Tube video you posted, I wish I had a train load of money! I would open a digital gallery, with that concept. I would bet people would flock in to see art with that concept! It would be exciting!

Lady,
The fact is,we all are different and have our opinions and preferences. Who walks lockstep here with anyone else? I know I have won few friends with my candor. The thing is, would you want to win friendship by being a kiss ass?
Those who that want to manipulate the group by playing our differences against one another.......well..there's a word for that....

But if this argument is about production methods alone…

A different kind of 3d printing designed for paintings:
http://www.complex.com/style/2013/09/printer-paints-brush-strokes

Transferring print to wood (each transfer will differ since the method is imperfect)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSfj6eiNzewa

LASER etching
Some artists paint the image after the process with auto paint if it's metal.
If on wood, an artist can use it to embellish their sculpture before assembling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggs7eU0zcyk

Silk Screen:
I can see how multimedia artists can go wild with this technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ0f6vpLkjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bgWvOw94Gk

Direct to garment Printing:
You can even print on rounded objects with the distortion expected when a printing method that deals with flat surfaces meet a curve. Let the happy accidents happen.
Traditional printing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhOCPxXPY4

Embellishing Giclée (multimedia):
Part 1 for a traditional method: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwGNRc4yPNk
But you can add found objects, etc.

Do you want any more examples?

I've been hip deep in digital since my Apple IIe in 1983. That thing was rocking a 1 Mhz processor, and a 280 x 140 screen resolution.
I used to draw scenes on that monochrome monitor, one giant pixel at a time.

Gee, Abbie, I have been under the impression all this time that when a direct question is asked, once the answer has been provided, it is good form to close the thread.
Danl's second question was, let's simply say, contentious...no surprise that it wasn't met with delightful discussion.
Since many answers have already been provided, Danl should be satisfied. I'll move on.

Cynthia, at least that Apple 2 is museum worthy
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I still want that digital gallery!

I hear you, Cynthia. You had to write the program too, right? I, J, K, and M keys…those were the days.

I almost forgot something that could work for M. Danl's round series (inspired by Sydne and Carmen's posts):

Interactive/Kinetic Digital Art:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G7-Y-QSsRo

The video is so cool Vanessa!

Thanks, Sydne. And something like that could work with M. Danl's pieces easily.

Indeed it would.

Love that! Before I got back into photography I started playing around with programmable interactive devices like Arduino boards, sensors, Scratch boards, Processing and other interactive thingies.

It was an off shoot of seeing all the neat interactive displays at the science museums and coaching my son's Lego Robotics teams.

This stuff is fun:

Danl, I like your threads since they cause people to think..... Unless it is Monday, hate thinking on that day!

Another method of showing: I've been creating in digital 3D digital modeling mode for a few years now -- recently -- Sketchfab has created this free viewer that makes for a fun, interactive view of models.

Note:The speed of display does depend on your system/computer capacity -- it requires a fair bit of memory/RAM 8-16 G is best

For full 360°, interactive view -- navigate by moving your mouse or stylus over surface of the image. Tip: scroll mouse wheel to zoom in & out - explore eye, cube & arrow icons screen bottom for variations. The double arrow icon enables full screen.




Me, Myself & I
by Charismatrix
on Sketchfab

Marlene

Very satisfied, thank you. These discussions have only proven.... small people prefer Hummers!

PS: I like your work.

I forgot Cynthia mentioned interactive displays, too.

I also, back when dark rooms were available, used to print my art on "negatives" and then use an enlarger to make my prints. My printer wasn't postscript and there wasn't any ghostcript back then, so my film (printable vellum) was low res with streaks in it. It was a really neat effect, especially when using it in conjunction with real negatives. I was too shy to show my work, but one of my peers was able to get his work submitted. Don't know what the category was, but the committee or judges were well aware of the process.

Ronald, it's my suspicion that M. Danl was faced with the same problem and wanted us to do the thinking for him.

So you own a hummer, M. Danl?



Edit: Missed your latest posts, Edward and Carmen. Checking them out now.

I don't think he's talking about a car.

Ahhahahahah, Edward. Ok.

Then maybe



P.S. This is an acrylic painting. It should make his heart grow fond.

I'm pretty sure I got a weeks vacation from here from a previous moderator for doing less than MD is. But I'll let it go.

What is digital art?

ashes to ashes dust to dust,
there goes your original art work up in rust.

The great thing about digital work is that it can be copied into eternity.

Of course not all art is equal. Some art is meant to be copied into eternity.

definitely signed, Dave #Bridburg
bridburg.com

I think what is important Art like Music spins this world everyday. It would be remiss to only consider one medium as the only. It holds back the creative, dream the dream and soon it becomes a reality!

David/Sydne, perfect post to close the thread with