Seo For Artists And A How To Find The Best Keywords

thanks..sound like it will be interesting...its on the stack!

Your welcome Robert! I just found Tom, his site appears to be full of relevant and recent info.

Finding whether your term is too popular can be used in the reverse when wanting popular key words according to Tom. Google the key words if it shows up others are using it you can also get ideas from the listed titles.

Thankyou Suzanne you are very helpful, l will take a look 😊

Thanks Suzanne some useful pointers there including one I am kicking myself over but will fix from now on.

Glad Teresa and Dorothy you are finding it helpful. There is a menu on the right of Tom's other posts.

So you have a picture of an apple. But apple is too poplar so what to do...is anyone going to search for "Malus domestica"?

but its not really about keywords. every word has been used before. just like the search here, its done by popularity. so all you need are the words and to be towards the top.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Edward and Mike isn't it about finding the most used keywords and keywords you haven't thought of? You can use a keyword but how much is it being used? The lower down the list the less used. Google penalizes for too many keywords. By using Google you can eliminate some keywords. Using Google is just one way to check for use of keywords. It is checking for commonality, if it appears near the top of the list it is a good keyword and is used often. You can get ideas for more keywords from the listings although other means need to be used also.

How far can you push it? If you have shot of the Grand Canyon then you say Grand Canyon. A person wanting a photo of the Grand Canyon will search for Grand Canyon.

Dan Turner always makes a good case for promoting yourself as an artist first. Develop a style and promote yourself as an artist. Then you gain fans who say "you know I like artist X, their work appeals to me, let me see if they have a shot of the Grand Canyon...."

Look at Peter Lik - he sells the same shots everyone else offers but he sells himself as an artist so the same post card landscape shoot of the Grand Canyon becomes a "Peter Lik Grand Canyon".

This thread is about improving keywords and SEO, developing yourself as an artist is a different topic. I agree you need to develop as an artist. SEO will help you to be found in order to be seen and liked. Tom is an SEO expert and knows what artists need to do from that standpoint, he doesn't guide the artist in other areas that are important also. Keywords are only a small part of the picture of being found on the web. An artist has to be found in order to be seen and appreciated.

Peter Lik is also on the internet. I agree there is more that can be done in addition to having a web presence although it is up to the artist as to what they want to do. Peter Lik has a web presence and feel certain an SEO expert guiding him and probably in the early phases got him into Wiki. The artist client of Tom also competes in shows which is outside Tom's expertise although he will maximize that experience in her web presence.

actually no they don't penalize you. keep in mind, this site is not a web page. be sure your not confusing a website with this site. because your limited as far as what and how many characters you can use.

on a website if you add 9000 words, that's spam and that will be bad for you. google only see's the words on the page and not much else. it doesn't know the difference between the keywords on this site and descriptions and such.

but google does not rank based on keywords these days anyway. they base it on content and popularity.

the more common your keywords, the more likely it will be to be mixed with everyone else who thinks they are getting an edge.

about developing yourself - its not only about keywords. you can only go so far with them.



its not about how you keyword here - it's how you advertise yourself elsewhere. in the article, they basically tell you to place yourself on many sites using your own name... now in her case she has a very unique name and it would be on top even if mentioned once on a page that didn't have anything else but her name. so i typed her unique name René Schuler and it came up on top like her example. but not everyone will know her first name so Schuler - showed me locations on a map, and she wasn't even on the first page of a 100.

she mentions to donate your images to wiki commons. but i'd avoid that, it makes it creative commons.

part of me thinks wiki is a good idea. the other thinks its a huge privacy issue, so i'd stay out of there.


selling is more than just keywords.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

So again the unique keyword is the artist's name. And the artist's name only has value if all of the rest of the marketing around the artist is done. There is something the makes someone pay more/search more for a PL than unknown artist B even though its basically the same exact shot.

At the end of the day the buyer will go with the brand name if they can afford it.

Edward, no one has said branding is not important since you seem to be driving this point. I'm not dull I heard you the first time. The importance of branding and many other aspects to marketing is covered in the above listed site. I am posting firstly about keywords for FAA because that has been in the Discussions of late. This thread is mainly for the intake of information of the SEO website above, of course discussion is wanted if it helps with one's understanding. If this thread is not intelligent enough for you and we don't appear to be "getting it" please move on.

shoot wrong post..


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike, who and what are you referring to? lol (posted at the same time)

it was for lassie's post about the other site.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Suzanne,

I found that useful. I have completed 1,2, and 3 minus no membership on Instagram.

I have not put up a YouTube and that has fallen in my priorities.

I would love a Wiki page, but that too will take time. Mebee one day.....

My name like Mike's rises to the very top. So it is no problem, that does not mean sales.

Dave

Mike, you mean the avatar with the dog? I saw that post, interesting, looking at the site now. I like it although can't say anything about it here, no need to - already know the name!

David, glad you found it informational, you know a lot about the technical side of the web with stats and how things work so your liking it is good to hear. Confirms what I thought, Tom is knowledgeable and a good teacher. It seems to me the important thing about Google search is getting your art into images, printed words in the listings don't draw like the images.

I have no problem with SEO I just don't want anyone to think all it takes is a few magic keywords. I get daily emails promising to push my site to number one on Google. Number one for what? You have to define what you want. Easy if you are say a wedding photographer in Baltimore.
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How does Google images determine what images it shows? By the words surrounding it right? The context around the image.

The article has a lot of good tips.

Mike, I just saw your longer post, interesting, key words less important than ever before! Well, if just for visitors landing on FAA but as stated before many come from Google. Need to tell some others about this. Lol We may not have anything to talk about in these threads! Wiki, although you state privacy issues, is the go to for information about anyone famous and up and coming. I found some additional reading about a new author, it sure was helpful, it is organized and covers all the basics. In my case I got bits and pieces of information and Wiki put it all together clearing up any confusion. I feel like others use Wiki a lot too.

Suzanne,

The most important thing is your name. He nailed that right off the bat. Name recognition means sales through many avenues.

He centered his very good post around that.

He did not get into the nuts and bolts of marketing. Email campaigns by far are the most useful and dynamic. The open rate is the highest response
rate of anything out there. Your audience gets to know you over time.

My next campaign is literally going to be door to door emails. I have a focus on FB and Twitter, but emails will get a far better response.

And that is where his post matters. People who get an email and are interested will be easily able to look me up and confirm I am legitimate. My name will
there front and center on Google with a long list of SM presences as well.

Dave

My challenge is to push this long dead actor out of my listings. The guy is dead - he doesn't need any more pr. ;-)

Ed,

In that I feel for you. Note Floyd goes by FAS. Francis Albert Sinatra. It actually probably helps him quite a bit.

Dave

Edward, thank you for watching out for us and not letting us get the wrong slant. Believe me I have watched enough videos and experience here to know what you are saying is right! Unless someone is a newbie I don't think they will get that idea since we have been talking about it. On some of the posts Tom talks about the artist being very involved with her work outside of the web with art galleries, competitions, etc. She has been with Tom for a while and I don't think should would be paying him for long if he wasn't doing her some good. I know I have talked about SEO before because I am weak in that area and need to keep hearing.

Suzanne,

I do not know your circumstance, but if you have a Wordpress.org, not .com, site the Yoast SEO is easy to use.

FAA can put you to the top of the search with the commons profile as we all know, but then we all fall back on SM.

My bridburg.com is not ranking that highly. Although months ago on Alexa it ranked 24 million, now it is at 8.8 million in the rankings.
I get emails from hopeful new companies trying to sell how to improve this or that, but their website alexa rankings are below mine.
That is not even getting to whether they have a clue. Or are honest.

Dave

Keep telling me what I need to know and eventually I will get it! I'm going to get out of this chair right now get some exercise. I will check back after a while to see if anyone has any new revelations.

David, glad you agree on Yoast, gives more credence to Tom's website. I will go on Wordpress at some point, would like to use Yoast since there is a consensus on that app. I'm still thinking those keywords are important for the fact people put key words in Google image search which is what I am interested in and would like to be in, although I know many other things for reach need to be done.

Suzanne,

I think you can only use the Yoast SEO on WP.org. When you say go on WP I think you are referring to WP.com the blogging site.
WP.org are indepedent sites.

Yoast is the main and best tool for SEO on a website. It is pretty easy.

Google is fudging about SEO. Google does not want people to put up SEO sites that are empty. So Google has made
this song and dance out of context. In fact context is not really picked up on by their servers etc..... It is still SEO.
The context thing as I am saying is body they want on your site.

Yoast is mainly SEO, but you can put a longer blurb in to the webpage which they heavily expect and a shorter blurb into the SEO subject
line which makes sense of course. But at the end of the day it is one to four words of SEO. Your page is loaded with Yoast to be filled out
and when you fill it out the page has those few crucial words.

On WP.org sites you have plugins. Once you get into constructing a site you will know what a plugin is and how to add them. Plugins give
your site extra functionality. They are often broad based covering all of your pages. As opposed to the Yoast plugin that loads on all pages so that
every individual page can be SEO loaded when setting up the page.

Yoast SEO is free. If you know what you are doing all the Plugins should be free. Some portion of the Plugin developers charge for some of their plugins.

I do not pay at all now. At first I paid the $30 or so for a few plugins. I later stripped them out of the site.

If you want a list of what plugins I use I can PM them to you.....but only if you are almost done setting up a WP.org site. Not right now, you dont need them yet.

Dave

Suzanne,

If you want to set up a WP.org site use this resource....

emediacoach.com

Look for a video that is 1:20 hours. I saw it once through and then stop and started the video doing each step before starting the video.

This is not easy stuff. When your site is up, it gets very easy. But not for the first couple of months.

No company Bluehost or Godaddy will really be there for you. They will want to send you through to their service departments and charge
you even more to finish the job. Becareful.

Dave

Thanks for this link...I see I'm doing some things right and some others need attention. This will help me.

Interesting... There were a couple things that I knew I should do and did not take long but I just needed this push.
There... Website like added to Pinterest profile, etc.
thanks for posting!

David, Thanks for the offer of help I will need it when the time comes, need to put info on Wordperfect.

Stacie, You're welcome, I doubt many are doing everything, but sites like this help.

Nancy, Good for you!



I'm glad for everyone that has responded so Tom at his site will probably figure out I did what I said I would!

Long story short: Write content for your readers and potential customers and not for the search engines. Answer your readers' questions, help them to solve problems and/or entertain them. If you do that you will attract readers AND search engine attention. It takes a while but it does work. Tom is selling a product/service. What he is saying is not incorrect but does tend to mislead people into writing to satisfy the search engines and not potential readers.

I have used the Yoast plugin in the past and found it to do little good for the attention it requires to make it "perfect." However, it is a good place to start and, for some, a decent tool on which to rely for help in "getting found."

But what do I know? I'm fairly new at this Internet marketing thing. I began earning a supplement to my income online since 1999 and moved to full eight years ago.

I will bore you with only one example of key words. I sell checks online. Bank personal checks, to be precise. Even though overall checks usage has been declining - online checks sales have been growing every year since 1997. There are many reasons for this but that's another story. :)

Well, it seems like there are a gazillion websites out there selling checks. 'PERSONAL CHECKS" is likely the most sought after key word. So, we chose to optimizes for CUTE CHECKS and CUTE PERSONAL CHECKS. WE don't need to capture the market to sell hundreds of orders every week. We just have to build a site that makes it easy for a customer to find the exact design they want and we have to do well in the SERPs.

Try a Goog and a Bing search for Cute Checks and you may see my site on the first page - somewhere under the top Paid Ads. See if you can tell which one it is.


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~ Bill
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