Google Seo

Source please. I rather not operate on hearsay.

Actually Google relies more now on descriptions than keywords.

FAA rely more on the first 10 of your keywords as do other search engines normally. When doing seo it's best to make only 10 keywords and make those the strongest you have

Makes sense because ultimately Google's service depends on delivering quality search results to it users.

Context is what is important as well as the validation of other's to the quality (i.e how many other sites link to it).

I doubt keyword order ranks high in Google's assessment of the quality of a page.

The days of tricking search engines is over.

Ultimately Google's service depends on advertisers paying to get ahead of the search results.

Google Official SEO Guide (in PDF).

http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en/us/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf

How about this question ---- Does the "description field" that we enter become the description field of the page or is it page content?


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If Google doesn't return useful search then people would choose an alternative. Just like a POD - if they don't offer quality art, people will go elsewhere. Search results is Google's product. Advertising is its source of revenue. The value of the advertising is based on the eyeballs it brings which it does by providing a good product.

No different than a magazine. Crap editorial leads to a low quality audience what no advertiser wants.

google doesn't know what your keywords are. they seem them as simple text. they take more credence one the quality of your description. google images are becoming very smart in ID'ing the image and the contents. i think that if you posted a red wagon, and called it a pumpkin - they would ding you for that. they like answers to questions. so its better to tell us about your image or a story of some kind. the keywords are for the site, and the site may treat them differently.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike

"i think that if you posted a red wagon, and called it a pumpkin - they would ding you for that. "

If that the case, we're in real trouble.

Do a google image search for neldon roberts stonehouse fine art america and see what shows up as the first 6 images and what doesn't show up at all.

David, I did that and I see what you mean, but when I clicked on the pier image, the link brought me to the stone house. The pier image appears on that FAA stone house page as a thumbnail. Very interesting Google search result, but it gets you where you want to go.

Carlin

But how many would click on the pier image if it's not what they're looking for?

And the main image doesn't show up at all.

None of it makes sense to me!!! This SEO THING! I thought I was catching on and then I started to read Ricardo's link:

http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en/us/webmasters/docs/search-engine-optimization-starter-guide.pdf

Ricardo great link btw

Google tracks what people choose among the choices presented. If you put in a misleading keyword and no one follows that bread crumb, then you move farther down the line. Useful results move up. More time spent on a page moves it up. More links pointing to your pages moves you up.

You have to think long term and build up your audience not just trying to pick a magic keyword.

Just for clarification the Google SEO Starter Guide states:

"Search engine optimization affects only organic search results, not paid or "sponsored" results such as Google AdWords."

Google uses SEO. I use a WP .org site with the Yoast SEO for Google. You put in your word or phrase for the page
as an SEO into the Yoast Plugin. You then add content to the SEO term. So if someone looks up my name, there will be a full
line about my website with the name all highlighted, plus the beginnings of a set of sentences similar to a tweet in length.
The Yoast Plugin puts at the bottom of each page a set of fill-ins to power the SEO process.

You commonly see these sorts of results in the Google search. They are still based on one or two words. Google wants you to fill out the context.

Think about it, if you set up a site or anything else you need to fill in the context. Google is not going to guess.

Google runs other software to figure out if it is redundant in their systems, that is different.

Dave

Specific to this site when you search for me, my name comes up as FAA/Bridburg before any other search result.

That is because of the FAA strength in the Google search system for art or artists.

The FAA domain has a lot of clout within how Google search works.

So many people linking to FAA.

The results are not purely driven by SEO. Not just one word or phrase as SEO is meant to be.

It is driven by the value of the FAA domain. Some of my images on FAA come up individually early on as well.
But not many of them. Again that is less SEO rather than the popularity perhaps of a given image.

Dave

I don't think people in this thread are understanding the question and the meaning of keywords in this thread. Keywords are not tags. In the context of Google a keyword would be the word entered in by the searcher in a query. Google indexes images by keywords. Google pays particular attention to the keywords used in the description. The question was if it gives more weight to words that come earlier in the description. We are not talking about tags here. It makes sense that words used earlier in a description would carry more weight than words used later. Google is not going to tell you those things exactly. All the OP is asking is for a confirmation of what he heard.

My 2 cents worth after a long career, a significant part of it on the internet.

1) Describe your item really, really well. Put the most meaningful words that tell about it in your title, description and keywords.
2) Don't try to "trick" or leverage anything Google does today because all of it just may work against you the next time they change their parameters (and they do that often).
3) Be accurate.
4) Be honest.
5) Be descriptive in a way that lead the person who would love to have your painting/artwork/photo to it and it will all work out in the end.
6) Spend some time researching your keywords. Look up similar images and see what they are using to describe them (don't copy anyone's listings or keywords, word for word though)
7) Look up synonyms if you have trouble finding words to describe.
8) Invest enough time in this part of your art career - it's pure marketing and the greatest image in the world will not sell if it can't be found.

Have a great weekend all!
Audrey

Bradford,

That is all good, but it is not really SEO as done by someone with a website.
We are resting on the power of the FAA domain name. Not the descriptions.

The bottomline is what are your search results.

Only a few people here have something rare enough that the FAA descriptions would propel
their image or images to the top of the search engine results. SEO without search results is a non-starter which is the
main concern of the OP's question.

Dave

Audrey,

Nice advice, thanks.

I think point number 5 is the main take away. Describe the art so someone seeing it will enjoy seeing it all the more.

Dave

Good advice Audrey.

As Bradford says - the word repeated tells Google that it makes sense because it shows up in context. Putting the word "nude" in a image of an apple just to try to get more views won't do you much good. Basically if the visitor arrives at the image via trickery, they will leave instantly - Google tracks this time spend on the page as a way to judge relevance.

Others linking to the same page with the same context also adds "weight" to Google's assessment that the page is relevant to its users.

google also like how long people stay on a page.it makes them happy they found what they were looking for. so a good description a nice image, a nice gallery etc - will keep them in the store much longer than titling it - no title 1,2,3, no description, and then spam words to attract.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

Your AW comes up first in a search for you, probably because you do some outside marketing to the AW so Google honors it.

Just my guess. And people have so many images to run through they are on the AW for a long time.

Dave

PS I watched 30 short films on marketing to sales today on YouTube. I understand your help much clearer now.
Leads names do not mean much. Qualifying leads begins the process. Etc Etc. I got quite a structured education
beginning at 4 am this morning. The early bird gets the worm. Hugh MacFarlane on Youtube.coom

Mike-good point about the retention if the description is longer.

David, What we do does make a difference that translates to views and sales. My most viewed image does not even rank high in the FAA search. It is always near the top in several Google searches. It has 21,000 views because of what I do. What I know to do from doing it 18 years. Sure FAA having good SEO helps. But we all have that equally. I piggyback on FAA's favorable search results.

i push only the AW site right now. all at once - twitter, goog, and face. all my links point to that site as well on another POD and every time i sign my name or enter an address.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Some top selling artists link directly to FAA from their websites, not to the AW. I wonder if that is for the SEO of the FAA page. On the chance that it makes a difference to Google I link to my FAA page for most social media.

good conversation. interesting concepts. thanks

Wow, you all have given me some great food for thought, and practical, well thought-out techniques.

Thanks so much for the feedback!!