Stealing Art Images

do you have a direct link?

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

We just had this exact same thread....

http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=2484182

Here are ones that have actually sold via Ebay
http://www.ebay.fr/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=9newart&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

If they can steal them and sell them on Ebay then maybe that's an indication the artist could do well there too!

if you google "9newart" you will it's not just the French ebay site

https://www.google.com/search?q=9newart&oq=9&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i65j0l3.2438j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

ebay philippines is another...

Well, I guess someone's buying my paintings. Just not from me!

Nothing you can do about it except to pull them from the internet and sell them in shows and galleries. If you don't. then you open yourself up to all types of thievery. Anything on the internet is up for grabs!.

I recently had my artwork used without my permission by an FAA member on this website.. I was initially told by an FAA employee that FAA was too busy to remove the infringement. Not what I would call professionalism or a sound business standard on FAA's part, regarding copyright infringement.

There was also another post today about a theif among us selling work that did not belong to them. I looked at their profile and there was no way they could travel to all the places they are selling. In a years time they have a most 2000 images from around the world.

Takes a big set to steal and sell. As far as taking and selling because it is on the internet is not excusable. The member here if in fact it is true should have the account suspended not just the infraction removed, will be interesting to see how FAA responds to the matter...

FAA did remove the infringement and when I confronted the infringer who after using my work without my permission accused me of harassing him . I responded his use on my work was him harassing me and the FAA moderator banned me for three months. That is how FAA handled the matter.

I was in NYC a couple days ago. Saw a street vendor in front of the MET selling unstretched canvases one of our most popular artists. Then outside of MoMA competing vendors selling matted 5x7 prints for $1.99. (Basically stuff grabbed off the Internet and printed out). Of course I can't imagine that the person buying this crap is the type of buyers artists seek.

The person shopping for a knock off hand bag is not the same customer that Prada seeks.

There are more illegal copies of Microsoft operating system softwares than legal copies in use today. Revenue from sale is what matters.

Thing about the OS is that it is EXACTLY the same as the licensed version.

Billy, you were never told that by an FAA employee and you were banned for thee months for trolling.

Want to go for a year?

FAA takes copyright infringement quite seriously but it has to be handled behind the scenes.

@ Bonfire Photography, I know who you're talking about and I share the same sentiments as you. I was a bit surprised to learn that about this person. We'll see what happens...

If they are selling other people's work they will be removed.

Abbie is in communication with the individual that reported the violation or will be soon.

The previously mentioned person was also taking images off the internet and stock sites and adding small changes as well as outright lifting and posting for sale.

There will always be "thieves" and lifters because the chance of them actually getting caught before making any money is slim at best. There's no incentive to keep it honest.

"Then outside of MoMA competing vendors selling matted 5x7 prints for $1.99. (Basically stuff grabbed off the Internet and printed out)."

Some people are born merchants. It's in their blood. I, however, will not stand on a street corner and hawk items for $1.99. That's absolutely not in my blood.


Dan Turner
Dan Turner's Seven Keys to Selling Art Online

Findley .
Are telling me an an FAA employee didn't write Sean was busy . I Have screen shots that differ.
I also have a screen shot that says FAA is a Cafe press company. April 1st , 2015.
What's that a joke, a little misrepresentation?
Taking the business seriously.

Oh, Sean is busy but I am saying that if you reported a copyright theft properly no one told you they were too busy to handle that and it is handled below Sean's level.

No one said a word about the April Fool Day's reference.

I personally banned you for trolling so I know that is a lie.

You are here for no other reason than you seem to like to fight and call FAA out.

No mas.

Findley are telling me the Cafe Press company reference was not posted on FAA on April 1st 2015?
You wrote:JC Findley JC Findley1 Hour Ago
Oh, Sean is busy but I am saying that if you reported a copyright theft properly no one told you they were too busy to handle that and it is handled below Sean's level.

No one said a word about the April Fool Day's reference.

I personally banned you for trolling so I know that is a lie.

You are here for no other reason than you seem to like to fight and call FAA out.

No mas.".

You have no idea why I am on FAA.
I am not , "fighting". I don't have to so long as I tell the truth.

1. I made no comment whatsoever about the April Fools Cafe Press thing.

2. You outright lied about why FAA banned you for three months which takes care of the I tell the truth statement.

3. You have once again trolled the thread.

Done

wow...

And someone actually believed an April Fool's joke? That's funnier than the joke was.

Well he was clearly not very bright...

And yet again the standard of internet connection only to join comes to the fore...

He is still a member so please refrain from directly disparaging a fellow member.

Thanks

Is that a licence to say people are idiots indirectly then?

if they aren't members... i guess so. what is the rule about very banned members, like those on a year long sentence?

just don't bad mouth the customers.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Members that have been banned for a year from the forum are still members and they cannot even speak back in their own defense so no, not then either.

Never ever disparage customers either.

oh well for that... didn't hurt to ask.

for the sake of argument... what about people that were kicked from the site?


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Gonna have to ask Abbie about that one.

how about if we just simply make up names that sound like real names.... perhaps a rhyme of a name.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

No no no. Stop already.

oh well... its a slow night...


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Very slow seeing as how this remained on the first page for 13 hours...

I don't know, there's a long known phrase on the internet, "Don't poke the troll" It's not "don't poke the mod" because it at one time was assumed anyone online was smart enough not to poke mods.

As a new member to this site due to unfortunate circumstances (other member selling my images), I would just like to thank members for their kind words & support towards myself/situation & my images, but I would also like to thank the mods who acted swiftly & professionally in the background to get this issue sorted. The member has now been removed from this site. I may even hang around and post some images up myself!
Many Thanks,
R.Thornton

Rick-it really is a decent site for selling. Not as complicated nor expensive as many others are. Some charge for building a webpage, then won't let you sell unless you pay even more. Others might let you sell for free, but hold your funds until you reach a preset goal. None of that applies at FAA.

The person in question not only was selling your images and other's but was also taking images from stock sites and passing them off as her own as well. Then was thanking all who commented. Very unscrupulous to say the least.

Welcome to the group Rick.

It really can be a lucrative place to sell.

I just discovered one that is stolen from a fellow FAA member and I just notified him. This is so wrong.

Doesn't someone have the right to sell a print that they bought here on FAA? Maybe they were moving or got tired of it and offered it for sale on eBay. Or is it a different situation.

Jane...yes you can sell it to someone else, but the original artist still retains the copyright. You can't sell it for duplication and/or license the image yourself to be used on products, etc. This person was just taking random images from other people and posting them on her FAA site and selling them as her own artwork.

There are two different conversations going here. There is the original EBay theft. Then there is the person that was selling here.

Yes, it is legal to resell a physical print/ picture on EBay. That can and does happen legally and frankly I encourage people to buy my work at full price and resell it. (Happens more than you think)

Now, if you are taking an image from here and producing your own print and selling it on EBay, THAT is illegal.

With regard to the second conversation happening in this thread, Rick, thank you for coming here to report that person. She was an active contributor to one of my groups and... let's just say there were things that had me suspicious. It's a shame that people can be so unscrupulous, but at least that's one less "bad seed" on FAA.

I hope you stick around, Rick. Welcome to FAA!

To be able to copy an image, the image needs to be large enough to reproduce with a certain quality (i.e. not grain or blurry). Maybe FAA should make the pictures smaller to the point where it's worthless if copied? Or maybe I didn't understand the mechanics of how artworks are stolen?

I think, In the UK, if someone buys your artwork, then resells it, you are entitled to a percentage. It may be only for works of art that are over £1,000 though. I'll have to check it out, does the US have something like that?

Hao, if art is so small it can't be effectively stolen it's also going to be so small that it's not sold effectively either.

the large example images is what makes the site sell better than others. any size image can be taken, and if it's reproduced in a mill, it can be any size at all. the current size does allow for many products to be made. but you either have an image so small that no one can see it at all. or you don't have it up.


i don't think the US has a thing like that, to demand a percentage. i'm not sure what the ruling thing is for that. you would have to get to their books to see if they sold it at all, then add that up. i don't think we have anything like that here. unless maybe, you went to court.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Ebay rules state that they protect authors if their work is infringed. So contact them directly and say that you see your work being infringed by a third party. Then the work infringing your rights will be removed. It's so simple. And in any situation when you see your work copyright violated contact the website manager stating that you are ready to protect your right even in court. If your copyright is violated than you are sure to win the case against the fraudster. Don't you know about it and why not to address the issue directly by contacting the site violating your copyright?