Genuis Vs Artistic Creativity And Multiple Vs Single Intelligence

Rather muddled post, Greg. You should think about posting earlier in the day, when your writing may be clearer....

math i don't do well in because i can't see the numbers. it's like a block of text where you can select the text you want, for me it's just one unit like a picture of it. it has no meaning. i don't know what an art genius is. i guess we can say that someone that has no problems coming up with new ideas, and they have a stack of new ideas ready to be made. and or they create things in an eager way - that's genius. where as common folk struggle to create something meaningful.

genius is also being able to pick up on an idea and go with it. always willing to try something new. or becoming very good at what you do in a short while (i've seen people doing one thing for a long time and never getting better).

as far as what art is great - that all depends on the person looking at it. a child's drawing might be junk. or with the right hype - pure genius.

IQ doesn't relate to anything these days. and you can even study for that test. tricks of the trade to getting a higher score. but the questions they ask are useless and don't tell anyone anything about your intelligence. many questions make little sense. and if your not feeling well that day, or don't know why your taking it - you will get a lower score. but worse than that is that if you get a higher score than predicted, they will assume you should be able to do anything tossed at you. this is what happened to me in school - i never did well, didn't understand things because i'm a visual thinker. i got an above avg score (not genius or mensa, but it was above avg), and from that point on - i was no longer a dunce - i was lazy - and that's how they coined it. and that was unfair since now i got in trouble instead of figuring out how i think.

i think the IQ tests should just be done away with because you can't use it in real world situations. i think at the same time they asked me to draw things - which all apparently have a psychological angle on it. drawing a house, a boy and a girl. which is unfair if you can't draw. as it turns out if you draw a house with windows it means one thing. if there is a path, trees of a shape a sun etc - they all "mean" something. but what they don't understand is - if the image in my head doesn't have those features, it won't be in the drawing. i don't know why i took that test as well, but it's what i remember back in junior high.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Pedant

Yeah, that too. A pedant who garbles his rant and also can't spell, either, is perhaps the worst kind?

}:-D

Nah. I think your insight is so well worth considering. And the spelling, in this context, rather amusing. It's also good to have you back , Greg. Cheers!

As usual, I've missed something here . . . Sounds interesting enough that I might look up the other thread -- but not today.

Today, I'm going to sit outside and watch the rare 'rain event' we're experiencing. Doing so can only be good for my brain -- genius or not. :-)

In his book, 'Out of Our Minds: Learning to be Creative,' Sir Ken Robinson said this: "Imagination is the source of our creativity, but imagination and creativity are not the same thing," to which he added: “Imagination is the primary gift of human consciousness.”

However, he also said this: "Creativity is the greatest gift of human intelligence.”

Well I was diagnosed with a 169 IQ at 6, so I can categorically tell you that it does nothing but make people have crazy expectations. I was told when in the 7th grade that I had now been exposed to all known math theory and asked what I saw. Somehow this professor thought that if you just shoved knowledge into peoples head it would create something besides being good at math trivia - lol. But at the time it was very upsetting? I was also good at art and had other interest. What if I didn't want to become a rocket scientist or whatever expectation were being created. Hell what if it didn't work (as obviously hadn't) because I didn't feel like I was a rocket scientist -lol.

IQ like everything is just a part of who you are and what your capable of, but it's my artistic creativity that I think most impacts my life. What I mean by this is how you take all those bits of knowledge, passions, and curiosities and explore your world. Frankly, if your going to dream for things outside your control, sheer luck seems much better edge than IQ. Being smart carries no guarantees and lots of expectations, but it's all gravy if your just lucky.

-- mary ellen anderson

One of the main points I didn't make clearly is that instead of one "number" for IQ, there should be hundreds or thousands.
Consider the "geek" of an autistic person. Often autistic people have a single minded fixation on a lone subject where they not only function, but excel.
It could be music, mathematics, or "My Little Pony". Often these hyper-developed abilities allow a person to not just survive, but prosper.
A diver or a dancer or any other athletic skill may result from sort of genius about the body, how it functions, and how it can interact with a specialized environment.
Perfect pitch is an ability which is proven to exist, though it is quite rare. A person with perfect pitch may or may not develop musically.
Some people are socially adept, and can accomplish far beyond what others can even comprehend in that sphere.
Each of these is a kind of intelligence.
As mentioned in other posts, creativity itself could be considered one of the independent dimensions of intelligence, though in my opinion, each form of intelligence actually carries its own creativity quotient. For example, the ability to accurately hear, remember, and reproduce music may be accompanied by the ability to create new music, or new composition may never arise in such a person. I once knew a 54 year old "boy" who was brain-damaged by scarlet fever (I think) as a child. He remained forever that child, but he was a gifted evangelist, able to relate inoffensively to others, and convey his joy and contentment in his relationship with God.

I personally think that each human being is gifted, in some manner we may or may not be able to perceive. As an educator, my job was to explore for that spark, fire it, tend it, and help it grow. I think that most people have art in their soul, because they have life and something that they love.

I just got up for the day/night, so I hope this post was more coherent than my opening post.

IQ tests tell you if you have a high IQ - which relates to the speed at which you solve problems - they don't tell you if you are a genius, that is something else entirely.

I've no idea what my IQ is, and frankly my dear I don't give a . . . - that being said - I'm pretty good at solving problems - at least some problems - as long as they are not "my" problem - but I can solve yours (maybe). So I have no clue what IQ has to do with art.

IQ? Does this hurt?

IQ--I never had such a test--as a child, if I did, I was never informed of the results. From my own experience, I can tell you that if I have an interest in something, I can succeed. I have always stressed, where my art is concerned, that motivation cultivates talent--not the other way around. Too often I hear people say, "you must have a natural talent, so you can excel." Without the desire to sweat out the pains to succeed, talent forever sits dormant. To see a fire, one must first strike the matchstick.