Faa Terms Of Use As Of 15/03/14 Fyi

.It's always best to read your contracts and to know where you stand. This is fairly new information, from the time that I signed on, long ago.

http://fineartamerica.com/termsofuse.html

That's a long read Viv....... as I am getting ready for my jammies and you are having a morning cup of joe I will have to finish reading tomorrow but thank you for
the reminder to stay up to date on things. :-)

LOL >V, this is the best part...

Use of this Website

"Fine Art America maintains this Website for Your personal purchases, entertainment,...."

Hahahahahahahaha! That's so true! It's what I suspected all along, but what the hey, I have had some sales, and I really signed up for the greeting cards, unfortunately it got too expensive to ship them to Cyprus.

I am well and truly entertained, though. It makes you wonder if a couple of the full time provocative forum members are hire-ons as well, here for our entertainment. Or maybe they are really the owner having a laugh at us.

At any rate, I love it here...I am not going anywhere...it's personal, in a good way, and that is rare in this world. That's the very best part outside of the art. Afterall I met you, V! I will never forget you or your paintings.

Who could ever forget this? It's iconic.

Now I know how double posts happen. Thank you.

meh, I seem to be doing the whole thing for entertainment so it doesn't affect me at all.

Maybe a Facebook for artists is really the way to go. Apparently we are as in need of entertainment as we are of sales.

BTW, this is my favourite forum shift group. It's like our own little world. Before the HI octane testosterone gets here.

"Before the HI octane testosterone gets here", that's so funny!

Aren't we a bunch of nutters, lol,lol.............TOS - legal document ! What do we do? Entertain ourselves..............Yeah for Artists, never mind the small print , hahahahaha.

Oh well, haha, I tried.

The painting of my John was just a doodle on some paper during our 30th anny lunch.........it really works not to pay too much mind to the details....maybe a good memory helps,too

Sweet/good of you, dear Anita......we're here together - that's what counts..........I've decided to stop complaining ad nauseam .......and follow the TOS, !

Hi viv,
I'd just like to say that that photo of yours is absolutely gorgeous!

It is a very nice photo, V.

V, is that why it is only available as a greeting card. Too small to print bigger? It's so awesome.

LOL Martin.

I want to know who the shills are!

V, what did you see in the TOS that concerned you? Besides that we are mostly here to entertain ourselves and buy our own work?

"The copyrights to all original materials, content, ....are proprietary to Fine Art America"

My original materials are mine, my content is mine. Looks like FAA is doing a backhanded grab at my copyright.

Goodbye.

Anita.......I didn't read it yet!!
Looks like Kim picked up on something. It also says that at f/b, and others......fun, eh?

Dear Maria, thanks so much...but, I'm not that great! Just a healthy,sexy young girl, with knowledge beyond her years, an old head, steeped in Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, et alia..........

I forgot to say how wonderful you look Vivian in that new avatar. I did notice when it came in to use a few weeks ago!

No, no, no no no, kids ..."of the Website" he is talking about his own material here, the design of the site, which is his own. He is not talking about our pictures.


"The copyrights to all original materials, content, ....OF THE WEBSITE .....are proprietary to Fine Art America"

Not. Our. Pictures.

Breathe easy.

Thank you kindly, Martin.......

I am really more concerned about us being here to entertain ourselves and ...buy our own work.

V, look at this way...

Nowhere does FAA / Pixels take over your copyright. You are giving FAA / Pixels permission to publish your work. On the web and, if there is a sale and you have added prices, to print and send.

You retain full rights.

Everything else on the site..images of frames through to icons etc are the property of FAA / Pixels

I've seen so many artists leave perfectly good, useful, sites -- just because they don't understand the legalese of TOS.

Too bad Kim chose to walk away, instead of asking one question. Ah, well . . .

people are just itching for a reason to leave... quite sad to just jump to that conclusion. oh well, whatever.

---Mike Savad

to be honest though there should be a by line in there that does state what the copyrights are for the artist, if its there its lost in a sea of text.


---Mike Savad

It's interesting that the full text of what Kim pulled from reads --

"The copyrights to all original materials, content, selection, and arrangement of the Website (including text, user, and visual interfaces, images, look and feel, design, sound, etc. and any underlying software and computer codes) are proprietary to Fine Art America, its parents, affiliates, subsidiaries, or third party licensors..."

It makes it pretty clear to me they are talking about stuff associated with the web site. Yet she -- I'm sure, but I can't remember if Kim was a she or he; I've known some male Kims -- had to slice and dice the quote from the TOS to make it read

"The copyrights to all original materials, content, ....are proprietary to Fine Art America"

The quote couldn't have been cut up more to make it say the opposite of what thefull quote says any better, or worse, depending on your POV. I think some people look for a reason to leave this site and others and sometimes grab the first one that comes along. It's actually kinda interesting in an odd sort of way.

And also they give you a remedy when you do find a copyright violation under

Notice and Procedure for Making U.S. Claims of Copyright Infringement

i think she only scanned for the terms - USER, IMAGES and that's it. if you glance at it, it could read that. i usually look for the line that says all artwork on this site is the sole property of the person who made it, or something like that.

---Mike Savad

Please take the conversation off Kim now. She is no longer a member of the site and so cannot respond. She has not been happy here for a long time so probably had leaving on her mind already

Back to just the TOS

Very interesting. In a couple of weeks, I'm going to do some editing here and pare my portfolio down to 25. I can be entertained for free (winks), and I belong to many other (free) sites that do excellent printing on photo paper, canvas, calendars, greeting cards, and other products. I'm not leaving, but I will be prioritizing. (Anita, I love your work. Let's keep in touch.)

Oh, Linda, don't pare down, you have too much good stuff! Stay and stay big, high roll with the rest of us, you will have a greater selection to buy from.

No seriously, I have had sales here, and there really is no other place like it, where you know the person in tech, and she's real artist, too, who understands, and the owner actually comes here to speak to us when we don't understand something, and listens to us, and puts up with us, and generally speaking we can really speak our minds on the forum, so we do actually get to know each other over time. It is special.

V, lol, is this your clever way of cutting down on the competition? If so, you're brill! LOL!

We are staying V! We want the right to buy our own work at a discount! To entertain ourselves! Some people pay more for cable! I am going to have so many images on here one day that I will fill the search! In fact, Linda, au contraire, flood the search with your images! upload 25,000!

Hi Anita, am just surfacing here in Oz, at 6.30 am.
Good idea to flood the market....and,

My point in raising this Subject was proven, partially, by someone totally misreading/misinterpreting the TOS.

Thanks all for good input. Take heed.....!

So you raised the subject with no actual top post of any import, so that people would misread the TOS and leave?

Viv, she did not misread, she took it and removed bits.

What exactly was the point of the thread?

V, it's getting close to midnight here, hopefully I will catch you on the end of the light and lively shift.

oop, sorry Abbie, cross post...

Hopefully she will come back and read the thread, Abbie.

I was kidding about V posting the thread for that reason.

This should prob be made private - but if we do that she won't be able to read it.

regardless of what it was about, the fact that the terms could be misread so easily, means that potential customers coming to this site may never join because it doesn't have that simple like stating we own our own stuff.

---Mike Savad

Good (my) morning, Abbie................you asked "So you raised the subject with no actual top post of any import, so that people would misread the TOS and leave? "


I had no intention of 'stirring', as you imply happened erroneously to Kim, who already had grave misgivings about FAA, and has been the only one to be cited in this thread to have had an illogical response due to her own mis-reading of the TOS - (not the thread )................

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My subject was "FYI"........was a question required? to stimulate discussion? I humbly disagree, if that's so here.

My point was made by Kim's negative response showing everyone should read the TOS and not make assumptions. Her 'mis-read' proved my OP point..........!

What is an 'actual top post' to consist of, if not a direct reference to the topic? I do not understand your question, but frankly, it is no matter. I am glad the others seem to get my timely advice to just read the TOS here , as any sensible business-person should do, when in contract with a company..........

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Anything else?

I have no intention of making this private - it is good general advice, and a place to air thoughts about the legalities,etc, of signing contracts here/anywhere, for that matter.

If you're looking for a reason to privatise this, or close it, don't bother...........

They are easy to read, not long, and easy to understand. I found nothing alarming there, just some humor. Everyone should go read for themselves to put their minds at ease.

My point was made by Kim's negative response showing everyone should read the TOS and not make assumptions. Her 'mis-read' proved my OP point..........!

That's cool then. It is not how it read when you said it but that could be as you did not actually make any point in the top post at all so it was all open to interpretation. You did not even add a link and top posts should have some idea of what you are requiring people to respond to

Please keep off the Kim episode now as it would not be fair to discuss it when she is not part of the site any longer

Righto.
Re links.......you say "You did not even add a link and top posts should have some idea of what you are requiring people to respond to "

.....I tried four times to simply place a live link to the post here and it would not return as 'live'..........as often does happen, just to me? don't know.
I have seen others ask why the html links are broken/unusable, without reply.


So, I put the live link in the very first post.............obviously understood by visitors who;'ve used it.......obvious I knew to do it,but couldn't....

You know, Abbie, this forum is read mostly by 'regulars' who do get it when links don't work or don't appear for good reason without the OP making explanations.........it's your job to keep things accessible to newbys also, I know...........I find your attention to this quite extraordinary though....Of course I know and don't need reminding to propose a subject for 'discussion', not just 'information'. In future I will therefore, should I care to share such information, entitle the thread "Information" FYI..............hope that's acceptable. Your thoughts? About "Information" threads? per se

My topic here, as you see, is 'FYI'...........and the responses are from interested members.

I once learned the "hard way" (mostly making a fool of myself) never to sign anything until you read it - joining the site - and particularly if you are a paying premium member - and you ain't read the TOS - it's the same thing as "signing" the document. I found nothing wrong with the TOS - and am satisfied - and very often entertained as well.

Viv, as you know from frequenting the forums as long as you have, all we ask is that threads have a proper subject and opening post. That's all. Thank you

Maybe I'm just a bit slow, but I don't understand what all of the controversy is about. Under the Contributor Terms of Use it specifically says:

Ownership of Images

The copyrights in and to all Images You submit remain with You as the owner of such copyrights. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to transfer any copyrights to Fine Art America or its sublicenses.

Righto.

quote"
My topic here, as you see, is 'FYI'...........and the responses are from interested members."

Glad at least , to now, 747 visitors to this info/thread.....Cheers...

I apologize for my joke, Viv, Abbie. It's hard for me to resist a good one. However. You would think I would have learned to keep my big fat mouth shut by now.

haha, Roy, glad you are entertained, too. Good catch, Duane.

The fact remains...I have met some awesome people here. I am no heavy hitter, but I have happily made some sales, I hope to make more in the future, and...

if I could afford to,...

I would buy my own work.

Good morning from sunny Cyprus.