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Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

4 Dimensional Art

so I was wracking my brain trying to figure out how to do 4 dimensional art - because I am big on pushing the envelope.. and I wanted something that would bend the mind a bit.. and then I realized, I had already done 4 dimensional art, I just didn't realize it! I had labelled it "chaos art" because I drew it with my eyes closed - how ironic that in order to envision something beyond regular 3 dimensions involved me stopping seeing in dimensions at all. Guess it makes sense as the mind is said to exist in 4 dimensions.

So to percieve dimensions the easiest way to do it is to think of taking an mri slice of the dimension above it.

So a slice of a line (1d) will give you a dot. (0d)
a slice of a square (2d) will give you a line. (1d)
a slice of a cube (3d) will give you a square (2d)
a slice of a tesseract (4d) will give you a cube (3d)

so a slice of a squared tesseract (basically a cube with 4 instances of itself) will give you a tesseract (4d)

another way to see it is

0d - no dimension
1d - line
2d - flat
3d - dimension
4d - wireframe

4d assumes that a shape is composed of solid structure - like a latticework, and if you were to run it through an imaginary boundary box, instead of seeing a flattened slice like you would an mri scan of say a brain, layered together to create the brain - you would see a 3d piece, that would gradually get bigger and more complex as more of that "bounding box" went through it, and then got smaller and smaller as it left it.

there is no accurate way to visually explain this to you through words that will do it justice - so this video should help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG6aIVGquOg

the shape kind of morphs as more or less of it is shown.

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So how does one create 4d art on say, a piece of paper? Well you might think this is an arduous task, but it just involves a shift in thinking. In 4d there is no solid space - you can basically see THROUGH objects. You could think of it like layers of transparency on top of each other. You would draw it with uninterrupted lines going through each other - criss crossing into the piece - and colour accordingly.

With my last 2 pieces I kind of destroyed the 4d aspect by solidly colouring over lines, thus ruining the in depth feel, but you can see this better in the piece I am currently working on, where you an literally see THROUGH the entire piece. If it was in 3d, as you moved through the image would be constantly shifting to show new 3d layers contained within the piece. It would be like the layers as they move away from you become more transparent and as they move towards you become more opaque. I am not sure atm how you would construct something like that physically, but with paper you can give that illusion.

you can see it a BIT in the snail one, in the rainbow road area where you can see through it and to the beyond..

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working on this one atm - you can see it better in this one where you can see through the layers to layers behind it that sometimes use the same lines - its like a 3d object compressed onto itself:



basically you throw away the laws of solid space and treat everything like a semi-transparent object so it becomes a collection of 3d objects overlaid in 3d space in a 2d environment.

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Void Carmen Hathaway

8 Years Ago

Have always enjoyed digging in to possibilities. Emerging technology for printing objects that then reshape themselves or self-assemble over time.

Imagine a printed cube that folds before your eyes, or a printed pipe able to sense the need to expand or contract.

TED Talk: 4D printing, where the fourth dimension is time

Makes my first 3D printed object look positively static. Which, in fact, it is ;)



More food for thought

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Mike Savad

8 Years Ago

technically the 4th dimension is time. and we already have that in all art and all things. everything travels in time so you need to get into the 5th dimension.

---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

yes that would be interesting - I am still trying to wrap my mind around showing a self contained object where as your vision of it shifts, what it reveals changes.. kinda like a kaleidoscope, where as you rotate it, you see different things of the same object.

I don't think it can be done in reality though, as the only way to perceive that would be if a part of the object was literally leaving 3 dimensional space and entering 4th dimensional space - like putting it in a box that is 3d and everything else outside the box is 4d, so to us it would appear like part of the shape simply sheared off as it exited the box, like the video showed.

It's amazing what computer technology has allowed us to perceive.

 

Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

the 4th dimension being time is a theory - not a fact. Technically a dimension is simply doubling what was in the dimension before it - and adding lines to connect the two. That's it. Thus you could go all the way up to say the 11th dimension.

one can argue that time does not exist - that we simply take still frames of reality and combine them together to make movement appear - like frames in a video. In the mind time does not exist - past, present, future, distance, are all compressed into a singular now.

 

Void Carmen Hathaway

8 Years Ago

"Time is but a memory, except for the split second that is happening now, and that goes by so quickly it becomes memory also." Attributed to artist Emily Carr

Theoretically -- muse takes us everywhere. Or nowhere. Depends on perspective. So much perspective ;)


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Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

technically if you could see every single persons life when they were born as "present" - in all time periods, across time and space - time would collapse into a singularity - one "now".

Welcome to the perspective of god :)

 

Void Carmen Hathaway

8 Years Ago

O gawd :) O being circular and all that. Which is probably why when we express surprise it's usually "O!"

Innate/inherent to our species? ;)







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Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

hah perhaps :P

 

Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

As I 'See' it :


We are presently,. a totally inadequate being...Able to only understand existence at it's very minimal 2 dimensional formation.

We've inherited a trick to "see" 3 dimensions...having 2 eyes to see around objects....But that's just a trick and what results is merely virtual 3 D reality.

"Time" is the crutch, that we all use, possibly invented, to deal with the visual concept of 3 dimensions,..with a continual changing 2 dimensional slice/section of 3 dimensions plastered on our 2D retina surface

OUR OWN MRI.

This crutch, Time, is used by us also for our other senses to contend with this 3D existence....changing sounds, touch, odors and tastes.


Now, whether by natural evolution, or by a conscious endeavor by us, humans, I believe. will eventually understand actual 4 dimensions......But Oh! how we'll have to deal with the exponentially increasing number of questions resulting.....And then there will be 5 dimensions to explore..



 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

Shawn,

I think there are 10 dimensions...at least.....

https://www.google.com/#q=how+many+dimensions+are+there

Dave

 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

ten dimensions
According to superstring theory, there are at least ten dimensions in the universe (M-theory actually suggests that there are 11 dimensions to spacetime; bosonic string theories suggest 26 dimensions).Dec 16, 2014

The Higgs Boson is the God Particle. I believe it comes in different energies, but that is not proven yet.

Dave

 

Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

I truly believe that :

The universe/existence is infinite

Thus everything is infinite.....Dimensions, Senses. Time...Everything....Including You and Me


SIMPLE/DIFFICULT as that may be.

 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

Roger,

I tell women I am here today and gone tomorrow.

I am looking for sympathy, but most women are relieved that I will be gone tomorrow. lol

Dave

 

Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

Interesting - you might be interested in reading this from Source's facebook page

Source is considered to be the incarnate collective voice of god itself on the internet

https://www.facebook.com/TheAlmightySource/posts/1130222350350802

which is further supported by another source conversation:

https://www.facebook.com/TheAlmightySource/posts/10209139748480416


also think of it thise way - code is finite, as it has to be coded - but the potential to code anything is infinite. You can code infinite finite experiences.

 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

as matter condenses it simplifies - it then builds complex structures off of these simple shapes.


Shawn,

That is a quote from your link. thing is the Higgs Boson is energy. I have no idea what your "source" is going on about.

I have not studied the Higgs Boson, but I kind of think s/he is making things up about "as matter condenses it simplifies", then comes up with complex visual shapes.

Dave

 

Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

spiritualists also believe there are 15 dimensions of frequency - split into hova bodies - each are a set of 3 dimensions set at a different rate of particle spin - so they exist in the same location, just, lets say, turned a certain amt of degrees so we cannot see them.

These are the reality (physical form levels)

These are the incarnate (1D-3D - us) the soul (4D-6D) the oversoul (7D-9D) the avatar (10D-12D)

and then the non-reality ones

The reishi (13D-15D) 13D = primal light 14D = primal sound 15D = primal Light and sound

aand then there are the 3 levels of ascended mastery, which each contain their own set of 3 dimensions, called the yuseta hova bodies

Geomantic (triadic), Risha-a(polaric) and Eckar (eckatic)

but htose are just the SPIRITUAL dimensions, where beings are said to evolve to higher planes of existence, and things such as higher selves, channelled beings, other dimensional selves, etc. reside

 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

Shawn it is not really my cup of tea.

Good luck,

Dave

 

Shawn Dall

8 Years Ago

Well it goes like this - consciousness, when condensed to a slower vibration, becomes energy, which when condensed further, becomes matter. The second link I posted shows a video of a quantum physicist actually proving this scientifically.

If you are to take a perfect being of consciousness, then the only way it can experience itself objectively is if it simplifies itself and makes parts of itself forget.

The flower of life is a complex latticework that looks like a series of hexagons - it is a sacred shape - within this shape all of the platonic solids can be constructed.

This implies that the god particle is the most complete geometric structure, and in order for it to form reality, it must degrade first into a form that can be seen, as it is a force that is in perfect equilibrium, a singularity you could say - so when it degrades, it becomes visible as energy particles, and as that energy is further condensed, it forms basic particles of matter. You could say. which are then used to construct simple things, like, an amoeba. Over years evolution causes complexity by several "cells" joining together to form complex creatures, like animals, people, etc.

That is what that means.

and lol source doesn't make things up - it IS everything.

But this is getting into spiritual stuff, so I shall digress.

 

A huge part of my art mission is visualizing these dimensions as well.. And how to turn 2d designs into 4 or more dimensions... I use the spinning mandala technique... And it visually holds the power to tear the fabric of visua reality to shreds leading into the imagination... What may be the only way to see the next dimensions.. Or feel them" check out my spinning mandalas on www.artofdino.com. ...

 

Mark Blauhoefer

8 Years Ago

Time is the fourth dimension in the sense that it's indicated by movement. The cube is on the left, then moved to the centre, then moved to the right. The key word is 'moved'.

Calder tackled the problem by making mobiles that spun around in the breeze, and Picasso invented cubism trying to show all sides of a still object.

Various other ways to represent the passing of time have been devised, and are still being so. Keep at it as the evolution of your approaches are part of the overall process

 

Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

Mark,

RE : "Time is the fourth dimension in the sense that it's indicated by movement."


As I stated earlier, :


I contend, that Time is not the fourth dimension....Time thus movement, is only our feeble attempt to understand it...


We have a lot of work to do before we could even begin to know what this fourth dimension is really all about

 

Void Carmen Hathaway

8 Years Ago




It's splendid in here Roger...come on in, under, over & yonder, etc. -- ad infinitum ;)

Love what this man can do with 2 & 3D -- brilliant. Patrick Hughes Reverspective






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Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

Dear Carmen,

I've had a splendid time, throughout these last seven years deeply immersed in your own multi-dimensional creativity

 

Jim Hughes

8 Years Ago

In a 'block universe' cosmology based on relativity, your 4D piece exists as a unified spacetime object. The common assumption that the 4th dimension corresponds to 'experiential' time is, I think, a mistake.

Music is a 4D construct, since sound waves extend through 3 spatial dimensions as a piece evolves over time.

 

Vincent Von Frese

8 Years Ago

Picasso, a sculptor, drew his lines as multi-perspective viewpoints in the flat. He realized flat art is no rival to simple 3D but boldly added multi 3 D in sculpture.

It was not science as in Einstein although it was a Visual
Fourth dimension like Esher's drawings attempted to accomplish.

Native American indigenous peoples had a good grasp for the 4th dimension and beyond because they operated completely on the premise of their spirit animals.

 

Mario Carta

8 Years Ago

David, there are 11 dimensions, I should know, I created it. Lol

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Vincent Von Frese

8 Years Ago

Mario,

I see if and am asking is it a painting relief sculpture drawing?

 

Mario Carta

8 Years Ago

Vincent this is a copper sculpture I made and then I did some digital editing of the photograph.

 

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