Note To Advice Givers

personally i like it when people simply get to the point of giving a response, and skips over the fruity get well soon advice.

the - you can do it if you try hard enough. or the its ok, you'll do better next time, isn't as useful as pointing out what they did wrong and how to fix it.

if people want empathy, they need to phrase it that way. otherwise it will simply sound condescending by giving people a quote i saw in a book.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Actually I wish you would create your own quote in a clever way, Mike. I know you can do it with a lot of words...but getting to the point has never been your style.

Sorry Lisa, but I'm with Mike on this one. 25+ years of business babble and corporate waffle have taken their toll on my patience...

- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotos.com

The only advice I sometimes give is to tell the artist not to quit his/her day job. I listened to my own advice until I retired some years ago. I once had another photographer tell me that the best way to make money as a photographer was to sell your cameras.

ok... a quote..


follow my advice.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

"the best way to make money as a photographer was to sell your cameras" - brilliant. I'd have given him an unprintable response.

- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotos.com

I only listen to knowledgeable mentors.

I'm with you, Mike. I like your advice!

Robert, your advice is really good too. I have followed that advice. I was out of a job a year ago and I got an even better job, but not one in art. I'm not ready for retirement just yet.

Richard, I'm with Mike as well, he's one my friends. Love Mike in every way! I've never found his advice rhetorical and there are many who can give it and they are examples of success in art. I just want to see a short phrase so that I can put it in perspective. I'm a little dumb.

Danl, great advice.

"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down..."

-Mary Poppins

Now, to get all that sugar to fit on the spoon with the medicine...

i just don't do short phrases..... Mike Savad


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

i'm not here to make you feel better... Mike Savad


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

This is my advice - take it or leave it.

Some people can give advice but can't take it. Some have a talent for tactfulness while others don't. Some people may have a talent for tactfulness but don't care and it's just wasted. The issue, is not so much the good intentions with giving advice, but how the receiver is able to handle it.

There's another phrase... "Be careful what you ask for". :)

My secret ingredient that makes everyone overeat: Add a little sugar to everything you cook.

I'm cooking right now as I write on this forum. Super fun. Thanks Cheryl, you must be psychic. I'm testing and tasting everything...so full.

Love your posts here and on Facebook, Brian Wallace.

and i suppose there is the advice of being careful exactly who you take the advice from. i know of a handful of people here that will offer advice on selling and making things when they themselves have yet to make a sale. but they are first in line to tell you what your doing wrong, right or who to ignore.


beware of the sugar though, for those that are diabetic, you may kill the people your feeding with hidden sugar.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

“One final paragraph of advice: do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am - a reluctant enthusiast....a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much; I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men and women with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this; You will outlive the bastards.”
― Edward Abbey

I'm with Lisa about the advise thing. If I'm not seeking it I do not want it.

For me it's a matter of perception as to what advise I would want to buy into right or wrong.

I noticed that a number of people are coming across as advanced "Knowitologists".(my term).

These may be right about what they have to offer it's just that I find it distasteful to see their advise broadcasted constantly.

Like advise on weight loss or advise on financial wealth management it all must be custom to each individual to be effective.

Take it from me, advice has a "c".

I need to read the whole thread or the conversation before I make any comment. if I need advice I go to the person I respect most not just anyone out there.

I don't "judge" simply because I am not an "art" critic. I haven't studied this form of communication. For example, if I want an informed opinion on a movie, I read a film critic like the late great Roger Ebert. Anyone can give an opinion, and more often than not say what is isn't and what isn't is.

Lisa.............good advice !!!!!!!!!!!

Those who continually broadcast their advise seem to be motivated by a need to gain attention as to how wonderful they perceive that they are.

Read a book

Want to point out that Mike's advise is in my opinion strait forward and worth it's weight in gold.

Apropos to nothing said so far, there is a benefit to being an advice-giver of regularity...........ones numerous posts do capture the attention of google.....that is a fact.


ps.............is there an apostrophe at 'ones' as in one's or whaaaat ?

The need for attention is strong, can't we just get along?

The advice is repeated over and over again because we have well over 1000 new members joining FAA every day. A large number of them sooner or later find their way to the threads to ask the same questions over and over again. That is going to trigger the same advice over and over again.

If one does not like what they read in those threads, because they have seen it over and over again, why would one rush to get into those threads?

As for trying to convince followers, I have no idea why or how that would serve any sort of purpose. As for myself, my entire shtick is to NOT follow anyone, but to get yourself educated so you can make your own decisions.

I love well done selective colour, so much so I even painted a selective colour painting. Well done it is awesome.

"...As for trying to convince followers, I have no idea why or how that would serve any sort of purpose..."


It's just a saying, Floyd.

Okay, I thought maybe we had the reincarnation of Jim Jones in here looking to form a new association of Kool Aide drinkers of something. lol

"...Kool Aide drinkers..."


Discussing politics is not permitted. ;)

Greg,

Neither is RELIGION! LOL!

Rich

:)

Advice on advice is twice as nice.

"Acting on advice, is like rolling the dice"!

Rich

Ignore my advice and pay the price.

my advice will suffice


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Wow, I'm supposed to be cooking and I'm enjoying this thread so much. I suggest a cool virgin beverage on ice, but I don't like giving or taking advice.

I have one piece of serious advice for people really. It is brought about by years of experience in the community

Never, ever, ever, ask for advice..... unless you actually want it.

free advice? lol

Here's some free advice:

If at sea, and you go out on deck at night to take a leak, do not face the wind when doing so. ;)

Greg!!! lol


Not a mistake one would make twice! lol

however if you aim it right you can share with people.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

"however if you aim it right you can share with people."

Especially if they're on the deck below and downwind. :)




"Not a mistake one would make twice!"

Usually a rookie mistake, and when you go back inside everyone knows what you've been doing. Yep, a one-time hopefully.

"Here's a little bit of advice, you're quite welcome, it is free
Don't do nothing that is cut-price, you'll know what they'll make you be
They will try their tricky device, trap you with the ordinary
Get your teeth into a small slice, the cake of liberty"

- Ian Dury, Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll, 1977

it works best when there are people on the side, your in the center and let it loose.... i find this method more effective when once has to pass gas. often best to pass it someone else.

hey wait, that's advice right there..

---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

The best advice i will give is ....listen to the sunscreen song :) listen to the whole thing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwVVpwBKUp0

Really, Greg, this is if sick also....... I found that out. You'd think I knew better coming from seafarers.

Abbie,

The trick when that happens (being sick), is to find the deck that is closest to the water whereas the waves will wash your face off after you are finished getting ill. BTDT. ;)

I guess that qualifies as advice. :)

Life is a journey.Enjoy the ride. It's full of highs and lows. Don't stress over the small stuff cause one way or another, things will work out.they always do!

Always take devilled eggs to a party, everyone loves them.



There is never enough, everyone gets to them as fast as possible.

What if advice actually came with a warranty?

If you ask for advice follow it? OR judge it and then spit it back to the giver?

Never generalize

Dave