Regression Is Worth It

Childhood has always been a gold mine of ideas for artists. Its when our imaginations were totally free to roam outside of reality.

Why you are so fascinated by monetizing everything is beyond me. Obviously the art world is as simple as make it and the millions flow in.

I like that scribble image. It's interesting and layered and energetic. I have always had a big imagination, and it serves me now the same way it did when I was a child. It's the main source of artistic ideas for me. Looking at my artwork is just about identical to looking inside my imagination. I make what I dream up.

Danl,

Why would that hold its value? Will copies be made?

What are you thoughts?

Dave

@ Cynthia Decker "I like that scribble image."

But would you pay $70 mil for it? :-)

Bill Tomsa

http://billtomsa.blogspot.com/

I'd pay $90 million for it. Of course.

Who wouldn't?

Dave

It has no value. No real value.

People playing in that league do not value money the same way the rest of the us do.

Bill Gates for instance makes $1.3 million dollars per hour, 24 hours a day, 365 day a year.

Do you think that if the guy that paid $70 million of that thing was making even half of Gates, he would value money or art or anything else the way the way the other 99.991 percent ofthe people do?

Floyd,

Bring up Bill Gates rung a bell. I remember him back around 2000 buying up a collection of images, the largest of its sort.

He might have been eying a part of the image rights business at that time.

With possibly some exceptions in the collection the value of the collection as a whole has probably dropped, since the licensing of images
has fallen in value.

Dave

Dave-

It seems that people like to own things that rich people own. They can't afford the real thing so they buy the next closest....a copy. Preferable. a signed and numbered copy. I am sure there are copies or will be. My guesstimate would be $5,000 for a signed and numbered print.

Young kids don't work as hard creating art as adults. It is more spontaneous. They are fascinated by the how the colors and images appear on paper. They experiment without realizing it. They have fun.

Maybe one should experience creating art through the eyes and motor skills of a young child.. The results prompt viewers to reminisce. Remembering their youth and the pictures they use to create or their children created.....i.e. certain pieces of abstract art.

Twombly's work definitely brings back memories of my school days. And yes, I am already searching for a S/N print if is available.

OMG I actually have art that's relevant to a discussion:



At the time I believe I was testing a new Wacom pad. Nothing serious, just playing. Then it became ART, especially when I ordered it with a frame. This one sold well in my early POD days, although for considerably less than 70 mil. It may be time to push it again!


Dan Turner
Dan Turner's Seven Keys to Selling Art Online

Remember....

Coloring outside the lines "is" fine art.

Dan's regression back to childhood art (unintentional I'm sure) as depicted in his "Power Switch" image is not only eye catching without restraint but could be valuable some day. One never knows until it happens.

Dan, yours must be worth more than $70,000,000 because it's in COLOR! Nay?

Floyd, I was going to ask Bill Gates for a minute of his time if I ever bumped into him, but at $1.3 mil per hour, I guess I could only afford about .0001 of a minute.

Probably not enough time to give him my elevator pitch.

Bill Tomsa

http://billtomsa.blogspot.com/

I like Dan Turner's scribble...much better.

Here is my scribble painting. I did it on a 6' x 8' canvas and put it in my great room and with my thirty foot ceiling, it really stood out over my fire place. I remember my dad at Thanksgiving just looking at it...no one said a thing about it.

Less than millions and makes a great pillow.

Danl at first I thought you were kidding!

I do scribble art ALL the time...it is how I work out other things...sort of a meditative type of drawing. Most times on paper and usually they get balled up and thrown in the trash. Sometimes very small...sometimes quite large. Every once in a while I have thought they are actually nice but put that thought out of my head because they are SCRIBBLED art!

That piece actually reminds me of a letter I wrote to my ex. I took the time to write it all out and then did scribble writing on top until it was undecipherable...figured he wasn't worth all those words.

Dan I like yours much better!

By the looks of some of the scribbles on this page, you guys could be opening up a whole new world for yourselves. Remember, you don't have to like your art for others to like it.

"This one sold well in my early POD days, although for considerably less than 70 mil. It may be time to push it again! "

Well there you have it. Like I said above, people just do not value things the same as in the real world.

To me this one is worth closer to $70M than the sample. First it is far more expressive, it has color and I just know there is a hidden message in there somewhere that give time I would figure it out.

Actually Day, If my money not all tied up in a couple of Van Goghs and a few an original Renoirs and I having an offer in on the Mona Lisa that I know they can not refuse.... I would maybe go $40M for Power Switch. But $70 is a little steep. Okay..... I'll go $60M, but not a dime more. But I have to wait and see if the Mona Lisa offer goes through, I am sure you understand.

Bill Tomsa !! lol

Ya, you really have to be careful when you run into some of these guys. When you say, hey have you got a minute, you have to make sure that it is not billable time! lol

Seems like we have all been here before. White writing using automatic processes had its day and had a major affect on the development of modern art. Creating this today would not be the same thing, only imitative. Same as most approaches and styles, that is a large reason that an artist doing impressionism or realism or tons of other styles or approaches will not catch such prices as they add little to the history of art.

Ronald,

So now we have modern art where the art is onto itself.

When will an artist come along and break that mold?

Will s/he have to work digitally? Will that person relinquish experimentation or take it to greater extremes?


Dave

Ronald-

Then what do you suggest would add to the history of art?

Dave B. interesting that you would pop up at this point in the thread. You just might be doing something new!

Danl, you tell me. All I can say is regurgitation of old concepts is not it.

Can I sell it for milions? :D

We all have them.

Dave is probably on track....reinventing famous works in a style that the original artist did not conceive. A new twist on old art can add to the history of art.

Martin-

Play the online auction sites. Ask a million. It can't hurt. Like buying a lottery ticket. You never know if you're a winner unless you play.

Dan'l: "Remember, you don't have to like your art for others to like it." Why would anyone make art that they, themselves, don't like?

Oh, right, for the money. Eye-roll.

That's what the day job is for...

Cheryl,

Everyone here has art only a mother could love. All art is problematic. Fix one problem there are three more problems.

There is no one here who has art that can not be shredded apart by the critics. Your eyes are rolling very easily.

Successful artists hardly starve. Most artists starve.

I only create for the viewer. By extension I only create for the money.

Dave

This is what I have been advertizing today.......off topic for a moment.

http://david-bridburg.artistwebsites.com/featured/blend-16-van-gogh-david-bridburg.html

My reach today was around 700k

Dave

David, you wrote,
"Everyone here has art only a mother could love. All art is problematic. Fix one problem there are three more problems."

This is a very funny statement!

Lisa,

Throwing stones in glass houses is a dangerous sport.

Dave

I'm with Cynthia, my imagination needs to be reigned in, not encouraged. My imagination is much wilder now than it ever was when I was a kid.

That being said, did someone mention digital scribbles? This is actually one of my favorite abstracts of all time.

I speak for the unwashed masses when I say: that picture is a piece of crap and the buyer is an idiot.

Its 'mark' art. Not just scribbles. Its the simplicity of child art done with the graceful hand of a painter. Subtlety, flow, energy. ITs not what it is, its how beautiful the marks are. Or so this is how it was explained to me.

Several years ago I experimented with some child like paintings done in a kind of primitive pointillist style They weren't exactly scribbles, and they didn't make millions, but all of the originals sold. I only have small digital copies of a couple of the original paintings. They aren't large enough files to make anything but 5x7 -8x10 inch prints . Hmmmm, maybe if Sothebys learned of the rarity of these paintings.... LOL

I didn't offer my opinion on the original topic. Here's my opinion in a nutshell.

Do I like the piece? No.

Does it show any particular artistic skill, application of technique, understanding of composition, or originality? Maybe 1 point for originality, but a resounding NO for the rest.
Is it worth 70 million dollars? Not in my opinion.

About the question of giving up my style and regressing to childhood art in an attempt to make millions. That's such a silly notion that I'm not even going to answer it.

I like your piece much more, Dan. Visually appealing and with a clever title.

I like your "Child's Play" picture too, Jim. :)

I've been seeing a lot of things lately about the creativity of children, and how it is lost in the adult mind.
There's currently a Kickstarter campaign about trying to combine the raw ideas of a child with the refined technique of an artist.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gomonsterproject/the-monster-project

Joe,

As the resident contrarian I believe in the adult mind far more than that of the child's mind.

Dave

That's interesting, because I've always thought of adults as being something only children believe in.

In the middle years, artists seem to be more in control of their work. Children's work is the least controlled. Golden ager's work tends to regress to their uncontrolled childhood years (Grandma Moses).

What goes up, must come down.
All things return back to whence they came.

Except hemorrhoids...

I like Jim Whalen's art, no I love his art and his answer seems the most logical as well.

But this piece of junk art that started the thread is actually growing on me. I think I like it. No, I think I love it.

I might have to try painting with my left hand and see what that turns up, sounds like a fun idea.

Lisa-

I just might pour myself a glass of wine and continue to enjoy your inspiring art.

Thank you, Danl!

Hey Danl, may I join you with a glass of wine and look at Lisa's wonderful work.

Maybe it is worth to come back to kid like images. Simple and takes less time to create and it actually sells.
On the other hand , maybe our faith is already chosen when we are born, and what I create doesn't really matter.

It depresses me, this picture for 70 mln.
To me it represents a tangled mind without escape.
There is nothing simple in this image.

I'm joining in with the glass of wine and enjoying Lisa's work.

This piece is not his best - I have seen others I prefer. Would I pay 70 mil for it ? No, even if I had that much.
The market decides. The Art market is like the Stock market - what people think it is worth.
I can do scribbles - we all can. the difference is there is only one Cy Twombly.

I just saw he died in 2011 - didn't know that. No more pix - price goes up.