Paintings Vs Photographs

It's totally up to the contest administrator. If that's what you want in your contests....paintings only, then put that in the rules and that should end any dispute. You can have whatever rules you desire.

And those that call for ANY media in a contest have their rights to do that. People that just want photos...same thing. I don't see where the discussion is?

If you somehow want confirmation that photography isn't actually ART, or that it is somehow less than painting, you won't get that from me :)

if you want to host a contest that is strictly paintings - then do that. but you will have to weed out the ones that aren't. if you want both, say that.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

I agree with Joy and Mike...your contest...your rules. I also agree it would be a chore to weed out the ones that aren't.

You look a lot like Ben Franklin!

You are asking what we think? As if changes need to be made?

You are not fairly new, you got here in 2013 and still dont have a bio up.

Photos v paintings? I work heavily with both, but I do not take photos or paint.

Dave
http://www.davidbridburg.com

There are over 3000 groups. I am sure what you are suggesting already exists. You just have to go find them.

Since contests here are mostly just for fun and have little meaning I don't see what the issue is. As already stated you can host your own any way you chose as can others who host contests.

EVERYTHING online is a photograph, ... even if it is a photograph of a painting. (^_^)

This poses a philosophical dilemma.

Maybe it requires the statement, ... "No photos where a painting is the subject matter."

Then you get into digital paintings. ... Is THIS a sort of "painting" that could be considered? ... Another philosophical dilemma.

Now the statement becomes, ... "No photos where a painting is the subject matter, and no photos where pixels -on-pixels is the definition of paint."

And what sort of paintings? - Oil paintings? Acrylic paintings? Oil crayons? - Is THIS still painting? ... More philosophical dilemmas.

So, ... is there really a THIS vs. a THAT, since it is so tricky to precisely define the THIS or the THAT?

Robert, you made my brain hurt.

meh. people know they are photos of things. but they also know they are those things. i see a picture of a person i know its a person and so on. beyond that its moot.

---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

"EVERYTHING online is a photograph"

This is not even CLOSE to being true.

especially since its light from a photonic source.

its more like a simulation. still though...


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Everything online is a collection of zeroes and ones that may or may not be representing physical counterparts.

Off the top of my head I could come up with a dozen different types of images and artwork online that have nothing whatsoever to do with any type of photography, and with a little more time, I could probably double or triple that list.

Photons, just... photons.

:::sigh:::

everything on the net and even in the world is a mere simulation, embedded into your mind. we are all a part of a greater computer and this is all an illusion.


---Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

Solipsists unite! Oh, hang on a minute, none of you actually exist... so, who is buying my art then...

- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotos.com

Everything online is a collection of zeroes and ones that may or may not be representing physical counterparts. yes, electrons, I guess....

I really hate when those 1s get turned sideways and get stuck in the wire. It really slows things down.

"EVERYTHING online is a photograph"

This is not even CLOSE to being true.

I beg to differ. ... Well, I'm not really begging, ... so what would you call all those images on your screen?

I get the feeling, by your response, that NOT even a paper photograph is a photograph - NOT even close, ... it's an assemblage of chemical bonds between dimensionless entities called "atoms" that nobody has ever really seen, and even those who claim to have seen them have merely seen interference patterns of light waves/particles/who-the-heck-knows-what-light-is.

I am talking about what our eyes experience as gross visual responses. ... I call these PHOTOGRAPHS, ... digital though they might be. ... The substrate is more purely light than with paper prints, but still it is all recorded imagery on a substrate - a photo...graph. ... a sort of graph of light.

so what would you call all those images on your screen?

... I would call them simply images, digital ones.

A photograph is a particular type of image. This discussion board is online and is not a photograph by any reasonable definition, the word image and photograph are not synonyms.

I am talking about what our eyes experience as gross visual responses

... so you mean how photons cause electron transfer in the cones and rods in your retina? But even that's not the whole story as the electro-chemical signal so generated needs to pass along your optic nerve to your visual cortex for processing both as a crude image and then to be interpreted by the brain's cognitive center into something meaningful, based on your innate and learned prior experiences. Where do you want to draw the line?

Not sure where this is really leading, but to answer the original post - no, the site already has categories for separating photos from paintings and other art forms....


- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotos.com

I was NOT talking about every visible piece of type or imagery that appears on the internet.

I was talking about image files that people upload as a basis for representing their visual art works. THESE are all photographs, and this is what I meant in a clear context discussing artworks PRESENTED ONLINE. ... There are NOT any PAINTINGS online ... physically impossible. .. There are PHOTOGRAPHS of paintings. ... Paintings are the subjects of those photographs. ... You cannot place a painting itself online. ... All images, thus, representing an artist's creative efforts are photographs, WHEN THEY ARE ONLINE.

Why make it seem difficult to realize this simple reality?

I will see your photon and raise you two electrons.

Not really here right now.

Robert,

Isn't photograph an antiquated term?

Dave....been causing some trouble since 1963......

OK. but you originally wrote "EVERYTHING online is a photograph" and now you are "talking about image files that people upload as a basis for representing their visual art works." which makes perfect sense :-)

Everyone happy now?

- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotons.com (see what I did there? ;-)

You're all wrong. Everything is just star dust!

Never seen atoms? Sure we have: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/this-microscope-can-see-down-to-individual-atoms

@ Rick -- and billion year old carbon.

Wow. I thought I was an artist and now find that I am an arranger of stardust.

I love everything about paintings and I have asked FAA to separate paintings from photographs. When I search for paintings I want to see paintings. Some people prefer photos and some people prefer paintings. I would like to see the two as separate choices.

Thanks Richard!

Online representations of images are simply NOT all photograps. Photography is a defined process. Yes, some work is photographed before being converted to digital data and being displayed on your screen. Some work IS actually photographic, having come from a camera in origin.

But so much artwork, here and other places online, is digital IN ORIGIN and will never see a camera. Vector Illustration, digital painting, renderings, sketches, Tablet art, graphic design, web design, animation... I could go on. Robert, you of all people should know this. Generalizations rub me the wrong way and spread misinformation.

It's reductive to make such a statement anyway. We know when we're watching TV that it's made up of blobs of RGB light. There are not tiny people who act out stories inside your TV. No one thinks there are.

We also all know what we see when we're looking at the internet. We know we're looking at representations of paintings when we look at paintings online. Nobody touches their screen in amazement and thinks they're going to feel actual canvas.

"Why make it seem difficult to realize this simple reality?"

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people are classifying artwork according to the origin of the image?

“A photograph is both a pseudo-presence and a token of absence. Like a wood fire in a room, photographs—especially those of people, of distant landscapes and faraway cities, of the vanished past—are incitements to reverie. The sense of the unattainable that can be evoked by photographs feeds directly into the erotic
feelings of those for whom desirability is enhanced by distance.”


― Susan Sontag, On Photography

When we place the images on the site we list photograph, painting, digital image, etc. I want FAA to include a search for paintings. When I search paintings I want to see paintings.