Artists Have Different Brains..

Well, there you have it.

Talk about taking me back! I still have my copy of the first edition of the book "Drawing on the right side of your brain" from the 70's!

I also just read that people who dream in color and in chapters are most often artists.

My brain is different again.......but we all knew that....LOL

Chapters? I did not know that was what it was called.

Dave

I have learned a lot about myself, my brain and why I take certain actions by watching "Brain Games" TV series.

Segments may be found playing on the National Geographic channel, Netflix and YouTube, Hula Plus among others.

I used to put myself down for forgetting names, entering a room and wondering why I came there... things like that.

The show explains why, in many cases. And that we are all wired that way.

Search "The Brain Game" for best results to find viewing locations.

yes, when you are having a dream and wake up, only to fall back asleep and the dream continues...

I am interested in a studies of dyslexia and artists brains.

I always dream in color and I have a terrible time remembering names.

The most powerful chapter dream I ever had repeated itself several times.
The Beatles Red and Blue Best of Albums, the center inside image. As a very young
teen seeing that image I dreamt I was forcing my way to the bars and then trying to force
my way between the bars. Then I tried to go back to my family and bumped into George
Harrison with John watching. It was so real. But repeated a few times. It was a 3D movie with
bumps and people in the image moving. Even the photographer who is taking the group image, his
flash is going off several times. Noise all of it. And I transplant the actual location at an English church
to the oldest Synagogue in America on Cape Cod. All of it goes into a complex movement. I then find my
family shopping down the road and can not fully explain what I have just witnessed. Still in my dream state.

David R,

Would the dyslexia help or hinder?

Dave

From the article, "just wired differently,"
If you rewire the word "wired" and transpose a few letters you get "weird".
Weird = different.
I'm trying to avoid mowing the lawn.

LOL

I don't forget names or anything. I have a Sheldon Cooper mind trap. I am horrible at math but fantastic at logic. I have a weird aversion to wearing socks that match each other, or my clothes (Odd I know, I just cant wear matching socks....it will drive me insane.

Very interesting. Indeed.

Alicia... not wearing matching socks... what is that doing to the rest of us??

Well, it confuses normal people. Artistic people never even notice that my socks match nothing, not even each other. Odd part of the non-matching of the socks-though they don't match they must have one common color. Today I am wearing a chartruse sock, and another sock that is blue, fushia, green, and a few other colors, with a small chartruse stripe around the ankle.

i have a photographic memory, but not eidetic. i have issues with space and time. things are remembered larger in my head for some reason, and time has no meaning. the things i did years ago i can still do because in my mind i did it the other day. i remember things in video clips for the most part. and words almost never come into play at all. i'm a picture thinker... yet if i did that test with drawing - i have no idea what the results will be, because i can't draw. i'm not sure why that's always the test to see if one is creative or not.


dyslexia is when your right half is moving 4-5 times faster than your left half. the pictures of the words are seen just as pictures, and they can only be identified as the left brain catches up. the right half see's the pattern and often organizes it.


unless i just watched a lot of black and white tv - i dream in color. sometimes in cartoon, if i just watched enough of it. usually i can't control the dream unless its a nightmare, then i can pull out of it. i can questions my surroundings, read things, eat things, talk to people, etc. but i think dreams don't have to do with your brain, but you looking out of the eyes of yourself through the multi-verse.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Well, apparently I'm not that particular. I went to a hardware store this past weekend
and just as I'm leaving my car I notice I'm wearing my polo shirt inside out. No one said anything
so maybe no one noticed.
It wasn't an artistic statement or wiring or anything I don't think.

Mike,

Drawing is not a test to see if one is creative.

When learning artistic skills across all medium drawing is the central skill. It is also a skill you can improve on.

Medium being sculpting, painting, photos, etc........training the eye is easiest done by training in drawing skills.

Dave

dyslexia is when your right half is moving 4-5 times faster than your left half. the pictures of the words are seen just as pictures, and they can only be identified as the left brain catches up. the right half see's the pattern and often organizes it.


Mike,

Dyslexia is when someone transposes the order of the letters in a word.

Folks, the right brain v left brain stuff is defunct theory for most things. It turns out that brain interactions are across
wide swathes of the brain not just one half or the other. And there can be different architectures on the individual level
such as some positioning of brain centers and differences in the size of parts of the brain just like your fingers have different
sizes, and my fingers are not the same size as your fingers. Everyone is somewhat different.

Dave

not really.

i can shade things and sketch things. my drawing does not improve. it really depends on the mode of content transportation? what gets it on the page. drawing with a pencil is different than sculpting for example. its a different medium. knowing how to draw well, won't improve your photography either. and if you don't have the skills to draw, chances are you never will. and even if you can draw, you still need the creative component to make your own images. and not everyone has that.

give a non creative person a pencil, and the best they can do is sharpen it.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

numbers - is discalcula. that i have.

we call it left and right, but its too much of a bother to say what it really is. so its easier to simply say it in the form of halves.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Your drawing does not improve right. Because you are not sitting down or standing there with an instructor looking for exercises that
would train you.

Learning to draw is only one way to train the eye, but it is the easiest and transferable across other mediums.

Dave

Ken!
I did that last winter...I called honey, laughing hysterically....he reminded me I was at Walmart and assured me that I probably fit right in!!
As each year goes by, there is more and more to laugh about!

I edited that, I have dyscalculia as well.

I only heard of it a few weeks ago, but have had it forever. I had to Google the correct spelling.

Dave

Give a non creative person a pencil ---without instruction--- and the best they can do is sharpen it Give any person a pencil that really wants to learn to draw and with proper instruction they will. Drawing is a learned skill like any other. Like David B says, the right vs left brain thing has been debunked. If an artistic persons brain is different it was most likely developed to be that way over time through their artistic activities. The brain is far more adaptable and plastic than is generally believed.

I always dream in color - never heard of dreaming in chapters until today, although I often dream that way - I'm terrible with math, "Numbers, phhish, why do they have to be so precise?"

A snail knows what's what!

Wikipedia says : Discalculia - Problems with differentiating between left and right
Inability to grasp and remember mathematical concepts, rules, formulae, and sequences -----

If I am really rushing I get numerical sequences wrong, but I dont have dyscalculia. I did not carefully
read the definition earlier today.

I got A's all the way through Algebra. It was extremely easy. If the trains are leaving two different stations
at two different speeds on one line, when will they meet? At what hour? And at what point on the track miles wise?

Well all of that is a no brainer even for my auditory.

Dave

My thirteen year old niece loves the arts. She is in every school play.
Her teachers from day one till now have all at the PTO meetings privately said
she is the best student they have ever taught. Every single teacher has said this.

She got one A grade this last year. The rest were A+ grades. Her dad asked why the A?
She said she would not change for gym. So now he goes around saying Theo got just one A.

She may end up being a great author or a doctor. It is far to early to know, but she can do any amount of
homework easily. And she has never laid off to say it is boring. She is a human homework buzzsaw.
Her public high school is in a town just down the road from Harvard, so the surrounding competition in school is
actually very high.

Dave....lucky I can hear what is going on......

@David, your niece sounds awesome!!

I had honor roll all through out High School until the third quarter of my senior year when I had Algebra 2. I didn't fail it but got a low enough grade that it booted my off honor roll.

i could never tell left from right unless i look at my hands, and even then i switch them. i didn't know i had an issue with numbers until i was fired from a job that had inventory to count. it seems that if its 2 numbers i'm fine. but 3 or more, and i switch them around. i'm not aware its happening, my brain sees 515, but my hand my writes it as 551 and my eyes will see it as 515. or things like that. i had no idea at all. and they didn't tell me until the last day, for fear of embarrassing me... like firing me didn't do that. which i asked them about and they had no answer... but even knowing about it, doesn't help that much.

even now i go through numbers in a sequence, sometimes backwards, just to make sure its right. its a pain.

words don't do it to me as much, but UNITE will always be UNTIE when i read it.


a while back i started studying japanese, and i had to learn a new alphabet. when i went back to read english, i noticed that i don't read things from left to right when i read the word, i seem to always focus on the 2nd or 3rd letter, usually the first vowel, then jump to the first letter, then judge the length and pattern. the ending of the word doesn't matter as much, because only so many words will fit in there. but it would explain why it may take me a while to read things.

if i focus and concentrate with my right eye, i will read it as a pattern. if i do it with the left, i can read it normal like, and it usually means i can understand the street signs and such. its all kind of weird.

grade wise, i was a C D F student. i did ok in math usually B's, even though there were major conflictions in logic. i remember a teacher stating that you can't have more than a 100% of something. so when i did the test, and the answers were like 700%, i had to force myself to follow that really stupid rule the teacher imposed on us, because of course you can have more than a 100% of something.

science i could handle, but it depended on the teacher. if they taught in pictures, it was no problem. one great teacher who did things simply, i got A's in. he had to go on sick leave, leaving a moron in charge, a tenure didn't care to teach type teacher. and all he did was write notes on every multi black board they had (the type that rolled up and down). and by the time you were done writing, the class was over. and even the kids that did well in that class, - they were failing. because he didn't teach, you had to rely on a lot of notes. teaching methods makes all the difference. and most schools really don't care. they want you to conform to the easiest teaching method - using whatever is written in the back of the book.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

It is good to hear you have a more serious excuse. LOL, not serious.

Mike, just being flippant, I know how getting a good education can be a battle.

Dave

Shana,

My niece is a great kid. The four of them, three nephews and my niece, are growing up so fast.

The oldest nephew is doing extremely well in his double major at MIT. Now there is an honors student.

My grades at UCONN were a 3.65, but not honors roll. My two year ASME, I was second in the class.

Dave

Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain: A Voxel-Based Morphometry Analysis Of Observational Drawing

That's a cool scholarly title (of the study). It seems rather specific, however.

I was pretty good at math and science before I defected to dance, visual art, etc. I'm not very good at "observational drawing" either. Give me a few days, and I can grunt out a fairly descent representation, but it is a very agonizing process - lots of erasing, re-tracing, using tracing paper, because my eraser wears holes in my original piece of paper, re-drawing, obsessing over one section of a curve that just isn't right yet, crumbling everything up so far and tossing it against a wall, starting all over again, .........

Does THAT sound like "observational drawing" to you?

... more like psychotic fixational drawing. So, I suggest that those researchers should do a follow-up study entitled,
Trying Like Hell To Access The Right Side Of The Brain: A Psychoanalytical Analysis Of Psychotic Fixational Drawing

CONCLUSION: Not only are some people wired differently, but also some people ARE from other planets, and they were deposited here at birth to shake things up a bit in the evolution of native life forms, ............. just for the fun of it.

Robert,

I am wearing a tinfoil hat right this moment to protect me from the cosmic rays.

LOL

Dave

David B.,

Tinfoil hats are highly over rated. While they might very well protect you from cosmic rays, they unfortunately conduct and insulate infrared heat rays quite well, which FRY the brain,

I suggest that you amend the foil hat with a layer of cooling material underneath. My materials physics is a little rusty, so I can't give any exact recommendations at this time. Perhaps a cold slice of bacon or two from the fridge would suffice for short outings. Instead of frying your brain, you could fry the bacon, protect your head, and enjoy a nice BLT on your return trip back inside. (^_^)

I agree that the teaching method has a lot to do with it. My Algebra 2 teacher was a wonderful man, but his teaching method just did not line up with my learning ability lol

Incidentally I hear that artsy types do better in geometry than algebra which is definitely true in my case. Must have something to do with the use of shapes lol

That's true, Shana. I aced geometry, but algebra is still a black hole for me. I used to watch my son doing his homework when he came home from college - which consisted of staring at lines of code on a computer screen - and I would break out in a cold sweat. The giant (8 foot) wooden box of McDonalds fries (complete with fries) my daughter sculpted, however, I could relate to LOL.

Robert,

Never waste a good piece of bacon.

Dave

Shana: "I agree that the teaching method has a lot to do with it. My Algebra 2 teacher was a wonderful man, but his teaching method just did not line up with my learning ability lol"

When I was a student at Ga. Tech, I failed calculus the first time. I had no idea what the teacher was talking about.

When I took it again, my professor knew how to explain it and I got an A.

The story about that teacher was that he went to Germany to study higher math years before. The first day of class the German teacher wrote the name of the textbook on the blackboard.

My teacher rose to leave the classroom. "Herr Schmidt, is the class too hard for you?"

"No," my teacher replied. "I wrote the textbook."

He had pretty much reached the pinnacle of learning.

I'm with you there Mary. I'm getting ready to start school in September, going for my bachelors in Fine art painting. Not looking forward to the math. It's been ten years since j graduated high school so that puts rust on top of my already shabby math skills. When I did my placement test to see if I needed any prerequisites Algebra was my lowest score, I'm going to retake it soon, I was just a few points off. I really don't want to have to take a prerequisite in math. One extra math class? No thanks!

That's awesome Chuck! What a great person to study under!!

Albert Einstein,

Had completed calculus studies by age 14. He was something of a workaholic.

Brains not applied do not count.

Dave

There was a message here, but it somehow just disappeared. I think that David must have hit "submit" at the exact millisecond that I did, and his post sent mine into an alternate dimension.

did you bracket it?

No brackets.

My space-time analysis still holds. I do not want to go through the reconstruction of the post that I tried to post. You all will just have to agonize in curiosity over what it might have been. Or you might try to locate that alternate dimension that I spoke of.

Robert

Everyone's space time analysis holds true. It is all very subjective.

Dave

Minkowsi' geometry proves that, ... speaking of geometry, David B.

I have a hard time buying into the idea that artist brains are any different than anyone else's brain. I think every person is unique in their own way and we each have our own gifts, some are more fortunate than others and discover them.

Robert,

Everything is on a curve....except numbers that humans have created.

One apple does not describe the shape of the apple.

One Earth does not describe the orbit of the Earth.

Exacting numbers have in reality a fudge factor. The math of the fudge factor is what
the human race needs. We do not have that.

Pi, reisian geometry, relativity all try to find the fudge factor in crude terms.

Dave

Robert,

In crude terms the arch that transfers so much weight so well was discovered twice.

The crude arch can be found in the pyramids above the tunnels that lead through the pyramids.
Instead of rectangular tunnels, the top of the tunnels have a triangled header. This shifts
weight above to either side of the tunnel away from the tunnel.

That was the first concept of building an arch. The arch simply rounds that concept out.

Dave

Art has a considerable fudge factor, ... especially in its interpretation. Even the shapes we use can be "fudged" in accordance to our individual imaginations. Algebraic language, on the other hand, is quite rigid by comparison.

Even math, with its huge diversity of different forms, still does not have the same fudge factor as art in all its many forms. Math is to the infinity of countable numbers as art is to the infinity of all numbers.