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Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

Created By My Hands

http://fineartamerica.com/groups/created-by-my-hands.html

this group is just for those who create their works of art without any digital alterations at all. Strictly made by your own hands(no photography) other then the photo you take of your work and the cropping necessary to put on display, it must not have any digital or photographic enhancements listed in the medium or in the description of the work..

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Marlene Burns

8 Years Ago

I sure hope a big ole' debate doesn't ensue over one's own hands being on the camera or mouse......
Good idea for a group, Valenteana!

 

Mario Carta

8 Years Ago

Marlene, you mean like a fight? Lol


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Marlene Burns

8 Years Ago

Mario, lol, you have an example for just about everything, I love it!
your work would certainly fit well in this new group

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Years Ago

Here's the thing:

Many times what appears in a photograph requires quite a bit of HANDS ON preparation to stage the event that is photographed.

My FLUIDISM photography images, for example, required significant hands-on work to set up the stage for the fluid to flow and collide. I basically created a sort of crude sculpture as scaffolding, and I had to squeeze out the liquids from little bottles, tweaking the flow with toothpicks, or blowing it with air from my lungs, or picking up part of the supporting scaffolding to shake it to create currents and forces that shaped or deformed the flow. What came into existence lasted only a instant, and so I could NOT hang it on a wall as is. Rather, I had to photograph it, before it dissipated or disappeared.

Here starts that big ol' debate now. (^_^)

 

Mario Carta

8 Years Ago

Thank you Marlene, I find a little humor goes a long way to prolonging one's health, I try to never miss an opportunity for it.

 

See My Photos

8 Years Ago

Hand made is equivalent to organic. Almost impossible to buy either that is 100 percent true. All depends on definition of the terms.

 

Why fight? Too easy to just go where I'm wanted. Too hot to fight, anyway. And I mean that in a '99 degrees in the shade' way, not in a 'I look so awesome today' way. ;-)

 

Patricia Strand

8 Years Ago

I don't see any debate. Robert, you obviously hand-crafted your work, and if it states so in the description, why would it be rejected?

Valenteana, I think you may get unintended digital work in your group because your description for the group is too long, and members are just too busy to read all that "fine print." Just make it simple, so people can get it. State NO PHOTOGRAPHY OR DIGITAL ART. Simple enough, right?

 

Alfred Ng

8 Years Ago

This year our mulberry tree has so much berries, I planned to use some to make ink for my painting on my own hand-made paper. stay tune for my result.

 

Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

Those working in clay, are the only ones that can claim true "Hands On" art

 

Alfred Ng

8 Years Ago

Roger, what about finger painting?

 

Marlene Burns

8 Years Ago

I paint way more with my hands than with a brush in my hand....

 

Ronald Walker

8 Years Ago

I knew a girl who use to roll around in paint nude, then run and jump onto her canvas on the wall making some interesting splat images. Much as I enjoyed her work it was much more than "Made by hand!"

 

Nancy Ingersoll

8 Years Ago

Just to add to the debate... I have some hand lettering that when scanned to create a PNG so the background can be customized.
There were no edits made digitally to change the look of the image, but I deleted the background to create the PNG.
So does this count?
http://fineartamerica.com/featured/1-throw-off-all-that-hinders-nancy-ingersoll.html

 

David Bridburg

8 Years Ago

Ron,

Is she still available?

Dave

 

Alfred Ng

8 Years Ago

David, I think that is the age limitation for doing that kind of body art, the aging body just can't do it any more.

 

Ronald Walker

8 Years Ago

David no idea what ever happened to her.

 

Roger Swezey

8 Years Ago

Albert,

I had added "Finger Painting", but I realized that there was paint between the hand and the art object.

The hand was touching the paint and it was the paint that was touching the surface.

So, I deleted it

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Years Ago

I don't see any debate. Robert, you obviously hand-crafted your work, and if it states so in the description, why would it be rejected?

Well,... the debate would be that the finished product IS a photograph, but to get that photograph, I had to do hand work to set it up to even happen. The art object resulting from the hand-crafted event is so fugitive that it cannot endure past the moment of its coming into existence. It is a real, fluid, tangible entity of a very small size that maintains its color and form relationships only long enough to record with a photograph. The photograph IS the art object that LASTS past that moment of creation. The actual entity resulting from the hand work disappears in a second or two. The photograph transcends the moment of that physical entity's destruction, whose earlier moment of real physical creation by hand has blinked out of existence forever.

Furthermore, without the magnifying power of a camera lens, you could not really see the real fluid physical phenomenon that I am talking about. The real, hand-crafted physical entity requires magnification to even see it. And it has NO DURATION at the human scale usually associated with physical art objects in the world. The photograph gives the entity MAGNIFICATION and DURATION. Otherwise, it would be too small and too fugitive to ever contemplate.

 

Mario Carta

8 Years Ago

This one could get a little confusing, it's a digitally enhanced "digital painting" of a photograph of a painting that is a copper sculpture of a painting that I created with my hands.LOL

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Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

Wow all that stuff was really heavy, I needed a good laugh today and now I'm good..I don't think there is a thing in here that we couldn't do some kind of debate on..That's just the way the world is today, especially the US. people say our language is difficult to learn. We all say know it's easy to learn. What people mean is that it is so hard to understand because so many words mean more then one thing, or anything that is said needs clarified by rules, then the rules to the clarification need to be clarified by more rules..Yep we do make things difficult don't we.
It's like I tell my grand kids. " it isn't that older people forget things or are ignorant, It's that the words don't mean the same thing today that they meant yesterday. IE: thong is now flip flop and wedge-eee is now thong..

Well I guess that's all i have for now..You all have a good day and check out the group when you can.

 

Michael Dillon

8 Years Ago

This wonderful group was actually started awhile back by David Neace, Valenteana has done a great job since taking the reins from David who became overwhelmed with his other groups and artistic commitments ,with over 5000 members she inherited quite a challenge and does a wonderful job Thank you Valenteana

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Years Ago

Words accommodate individual biases quite well. They are really more flexible than many people realize. That's why using language is an art.

Words are used to create songs (i.e., communications) that two or more people either harmonize with or not.

Technology can extend some traditional concepts beyond the limits to which those concepts originally applied. This is when we have to introduce qualifications appropriate for the times.

I use my hands to type, for example. Or I use my hands to crash a stone ax into a dead tree. Either way, I am still using my hands. The resulting product or effect still requires the use of the human hands.

 

Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

Thank you so Kindly for those encouraging words Michael,
and yes Michael although I was making fun of the way we use sometimes words or draw conclusion out of the use of words, I feel that such beauty and comfort can also come from words and the way they are used.
But I think what I am trying to say is that common sense should tell us that the title creatively means you did it without the use of computer technology or any tech support. and if people cannot figure it out then they can visit the sight and read the overview..
yes you do use your finger and hands to control a mouse or key board. But it is easier to said push a key and and color or tone then to apply it with a brush, a pencil or a piece of coal held in your hand...

And then again, those words can be mistaken in to what the reader puts into them..I have ran a lot of contests and I know that a lot of people take title or words at face value and do not read the rules..

 

David King

8 Years Ago

I had this discussion on another forum in regards to how Amazon defines "handmade" for their new handmade section. Turns out Amazon does consider digital art and photography "handmade". I strongly disagree with that and since the opinions vary so widely now on the definition I've come to the conclusion that the term is now meaningless and I'll have to look deeper to find out if something really is handmade that claims to be in the future. For me handmade means the artist's hands actually interacted with actual materials to produce the item itself which makes each one unique, not a machine that spits out copy after copy of the item. I don't say that to denigrate digital art or photography, I know they are not easy mediums, I've done both, but IMO they simply are not handmade. I'm sure 3D printed "sculptures" will also be offered on "handmade" craft sites as well if they are not already, (that's another topic I'm quite familiar with.). I'm sorry, but working with pixels and digital "material" is simply not the same thing as having an artist's hand really getting into it and producing a singular unique piece out of real materials. If that makes me out of step with the modern world so be it, I'm happy to be a traditionalist.

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Years Ago

But I think what I am trying to say is that common sense should tell us that the title creatively means you did it without the use of computer technology or any tech support. and if people cannot figure it out then they can visit the sight and read the overview..
yes you do use your finger and hands to control a mouse or key board. But it is easier to said push a key and color or tone then to apply it with a brush, a pencil or a piece of coal held in your hand...


Even "common sense" changes with the times. To a prehistoric hunter, a formally manufactured paint brush would be considered high technology. The brush itself was NOT made by hand. Being able to use the brush REQUIRED that technology produce the brush. And the paints into which we dip the brushes? - mined, mixed, transported by technology and tech support. The canvas? -- same thing, ... farming technology to harvest the cotton (assuming cotton duck canvas), ... weaving machines to spin the threads and cloth, ... wood machines to cut the stretcher bars and stretch the cloth onto the frame. The painter's hand comes in ONLY after all this technology makes it possible.

And what about the tools that craftspeople or sculptors use? ... again, made by technology or tech support.

Easier to "push a key" than to push a brush - well, it depends on the nature of the "pushing". It is a DIFFERENT TYPE of pushing, sometimes harder (in a DIFFERENT way) than pushing a brush, which is harder (in a DIFFERENT way) than pushing a key.

Try drawing a respectable picture with a computer mouse, and tell me that it easier than using a pencil. Actually, it is much easier for me to draw respectable pictures with a pencil than with a computer mouse or even a computer stylus. So, ease is not really the distinguishing factor here.

 

John Haldane

8 Years Ago

Everything I make, I use my hands (except babies)... 'nuff said

 

Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

Right Robert,In a lot of ways it is more difficult to draw on a computer, unless you use an app. then you can use the mouse to draw a respectable picture,

Dave I do believe you said it the good old fashion way. For me hand made means the artist's hands actually interacted with actual materials to produce the item itself which makes each one unique, not a machine that spits out copy after copy of the item.

I am not saying that photography, digital or photo enhancements are not art, or even are not difficult, Heaven knows I am still trying to perfect photographing my images for display purposes.
I must take 20 or so photos of the same image to get it good enough for posting..I am certain that a true photographer would not need to do that..
anyway I was just Commenting on how words can be formed into what ever the reader forms them to..So it is so hard to get the rules exact. because someone either is not going to read them because they just take the title at face value( they're value) and some will read into to the rules what they want to see..

 

Kevin Callahan

8 Years Ago

So... you use your hand to run a mouse or stylus? Well, yes that is true, but does that make your work hand made? No.

You go to the store, buy a roll of cookie dough. Bring it home, cut off some slices (with your hands and a knife) pop it in the oven. Viola, you have "home made" cookies. Oh wait, no you don't.

David King has a great post above so I won't repeat that. But here on FAA I see all the time photographers bemoaning the fact that someone thinks their great camera takes the pics for them. Well of course not, but really if a better camera takes better pictures it is not silly to ask about one's equipment.

In the same vein much digital work is difficult and takes time and manipulation. But I see people talking about new software and background loads that allow one to cut through some of the time barrier. I guarantee you there is no such function on a blank canvas.

 

Robert Kernodle

8 Years Ago

Traditional handmade vs. mechanical handmade ?

 

Kevin Callahan

8 Years Ago

Mechanical handmade? Great double speak. Sorta like Mrs so and so's home cooked meals one eats at a restaurant?

 

Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

Right Mike.

 

Valenteana J Chilsted

8 Years Ago

You funny John. But then I guess we don't sale babies here, right? lol.

 

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