#### Money

Money pays the bills, yay money.

Money encourages us to do what we want.
Money is incentive for creativity.
Money enables me to enjoy my time.
I don't know what you mean by "Money makes you to sell."
So hooray for money.
I'm not with you!

Carol you dont have money so ?

What is money?
I haven't found any here.

I disagree. Money is the lifeblood of creativity. Every sale I get motivates me to make my next piece. When my sales are in a slump, my creativity becomes uninspired and lack focus. But if sounding like an beat style idealist floats your juices and somehow empowers you or if you think others look up to you for presenting yourself as an idealist whether you really are or not, so be it. But keep in mind, you can't eat nor live on idealism alone. My family and being able to support them and myself and enjoy life with money inspires and motivates my creativity. -W

"When my sales are in a slump, my creativity becomes uninspired and lack focus" - Money kills creativity ;)
Money does not motivate you , you motivate what can you do with money
what if all free ?

"Money kills creativity". LOL, I suppose all those homeless street people or most 3rd world sweat shop workers without a penny to their name are the most creative people in your mind! ;-) -W

Translation: "I like living in my mom's basement."

your on a site that makes money. if it wasn't here you would have no place to play in. you posted work to sell, you want the money. the masters that everyone enjoys these days - didn't do it for free. they are called quite creative. i consider myself super talented as per the other thread, and a creativity level to match... i do it for money, that's you live. money won't stop creativity.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Saba, Money can be all those negative things you talk of, but it's really not the money, it's the person. Money is just a tool, you must learn how to use it. There is a saying that goes like this " money will only make you more of what you already are".

Of course i want it i need it
have i choice ?

sure you have a choice. you can trade ducks. or other things people want. someone buys your work, and trades you 2 pails, a bushel of corn and a duck.... then you trade the duck for 2 days of electricity, where you can make more art for the next trade.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Money kills art !
Most of artist paint and creat what is selling good ;)

We cant debate about it if we have different perception of art :)

ducks kill art, but people still like them.

but are you saying my art is no good because i do it for money?

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

ducks dont kills art Duck limitations do
your art is good for you ;)

"Money kills art ! "

Again, no one agrees with that thus far, and you have not given any details of why you think this. I make money and my art is still alive and well, it just happens to sell also!


"Most of artist paint and creat what is selling good ;)"

Do you have any facts or scientific studies to proof that, or is that just you rationalizing your own situation? And how do you know "what is selling good"? Do you have a comprehensive tally across a wide spectrum of art of what is selling? If you do, I/we'd all like to know. ;-)


-W

duck limitations - like rubber duck imitations? that's where the real crime is. they made those to make money, looks nothing like a real duck, so maybe it did kill creativity.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Peking duck sells like hotcakes in China; or was it hotcakes sell like Peking duck in the US. -W

W. - In fact everyone tring to paint what sells good couse everyone want more money

Do you paint or creat if you dont payd ?

sure. if your creative you do it for yourself because you have to create. however, if you don't do a 9-5 job, you have to make the money some place, and its hard to cash in a duck, so you get paid. its nice to be able to create and get paid for it as well.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

You will not payd to do what you want or to paint what you want
I dont want to paint what is selling good so i dont payd :)
If you creat for money you dont creat wothout money (omg im so soory for my english ill learn more good this month :D )

Again, how do you know what you are saying is true? I produce my art and photography based on a wide variety of reasons, the money just motivates and inspires me to make more of it, it doesn't tell me what to make. And when we say "money", we are talking about its ability to provide a livelihood that we all need to be a viable part of society. Money is just today's society's simple/easy way of keeping tally of the work you have done; in the past, an acre of corn field or maybe a herd of goats will give you that livelihood and ability to survive in the form of bartering, but I find the monetary system a much more efficient means of exchange, it allows me much more time to be creative! -W

Its not money in and of itself that makes us lose ourselves. Its the lust for money that makes us lose ourselves.

W. ok if you are already motivated without money how will change your portfolio ?

That's a great classic Jim!

Digital, did it ever occur to you that much of the art that has been created would never have been if there wasn't some chance of financial remuneration? I think it's a case by case basis as to whether pursuit of money might stifle the creativity of any particular artist, you definitely can't paint that picture with such a broad brush.

Money is everything, you can hate him, but you can not do without him¡£ Without him,you can not survive, but also can not develop

Zhongguo - money is not everithing

[The Digital's aka Saba's comment on another current thread "Shall I sell (part 2) "]
"Dan its just baby portrait nothing more for me try to paint something different or paint what people need city skilines towers etc"

My question, is it just me? How did Digi's apparent "broken English" suddenly become so "UN"broken (oops!)? Just sayin'! LOL ;-D -W

Money can't do anything...it is pieces of paper or coin....but the person who has it can do good or bad with it...money in and of itself has no ability to do anything.

They sponsored by illuminati to do songs about money

Just my thought: I'm here to make money to continue doing what I love, as I like. What I like and what I do, others love it and others want to get it. My point is to be true and have fun doing what we are doing while making money.

Paging Abraham Maslow…

Im in top of his pyramid :)))

Awesome :) If you're not living on the fat of the land, have you found a way to procure the basics without money? Are you strictly bartering? Just curious to see how others are approaching art survival.

I agree with Saba about money...too much of it causes a real lack of creativity. I've seen this in artists over and over. I only make a small income from my art so I'm happy to say that I make a living from another job, but because I'm doing well, I think the comfort I have has stunted my growth and creativity. I know one artist on the forum that complains a lot about money issues, but her work is top shelf. I believe her work is unbelievable because she suffers...artist's must suffer. Maybe I'm wrong...but the best artists had usually horrid lives and psychological conditions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q

You can be creative and make money. It's called counterfieting. It's illegal so then you can add a adrenaline rush with a dash of intrigue. Then after they catch you and throw you in prison you can even have a little romance. Quite the package deal, if you go for that sort of thing.

Mark,
All jobs and making money to survive can be stressful.
Art is no different.
Problem is, not a whole lot of artists consider it full time work and when they do not succeed, or don't feel like it's fun anymore ( what job is??),
we hear about it.
Lisa. Artists must suffer?
Really??

Zhongguo-

'Money is everything'

If there is no cure....money "ain't" worth nothing"

( what job is??)

Flying supersonic jets at 200 feet above the ground, through the mountains at 600 mph!

Too little money causes a real lack of creativity.

If you need money and have to work a day job then you have less time to be creative.

You spend a third of your time at work, a third of your time sleeping, so you will only have a third of your time for everything else - commuting, family, shopping, maintenance/cleaning, etc, so the time for art becomes squeezed. Thus you have less time to experiment and/or learn new techniques and skills and you will tend to follow a known path.

I also only make a small income from my art, and have another job, that I really enjoy, and I am happy. It is not comfort which has stunted my growth and creativity - it is a lack of quality time to dedicate to artistic developement.

I think some artists do need to suffer. But you can not generalize. And I prefer not to suffer.

Whether it affects creativity or not? Again no generalization is worth anything. If I made more money
it would not change my creativity level. I can not afford to spend much money because I am in the process
of saving for retirement. And in that practical considerations do not affect creativity levels either. At least not
for me.

Dave

Andy,

There are 168 hours in the week. I spend a little less on average than 24 hours per week at the day job, in reality it is a dinner time job.

That means I have 142 hours to do my thing.

I make and market my art for about 45 hours per week.

That leaves 98 hours to my week. Some 56 hours or less is sleep time, leaving 42 hours per week to goof off
or take a shower. That is 6 hours per day where I am half doing something. Down time.

People figure out how to do nothing endlessly. It is not for lack of time.

And time is more valuable than money. Creativity is far more related to time issues than money issues.

Dave

JC, that sounds like fun to me.

Dave and Andy, good point. I don't know anyone who can be really creative without the time to experiment with the concept first. Usually the first idea that comes to mind stinks, and if it's good, then quite possibly someone has thought of it before you.

Ok job makes money
Art is my job
I dont make money
why im still doing this
couse i love it and
#### Money
if someone give it me i woud happy
but i dont want to waste my time for a job to do what other people want
i doing what i want and they shoud buy it
if not i will die hungry :D

David-

Saving for retirement? Better think twice. Once you are retired, you never get a day off!

Andy-

Can you buy creativity with money?

This is an interesting topic as much as materialism.
Necessity but not everything.

I believe Germany is a socialism country in socially speaking sort of like many european countries which government offers basic necessity, such as shelter, food, medical, etc. other than being a common ownership of everything I believe.
I often thought their art is different, maybe something to do with this that artist don’t have to be concerned about means of living but only to focus on their art.

Balance is key to everything IMO
Just enough of everything, but as you know it is our nature, so easy to be off the balance.

Can you buy creativity with money?
Intéressant M. Danl, in a third party sort of way I would say yes.
With money I could have 50 hours extra a week to experiment artistically, I could buy all the materials I want for the experimentation and I could puchase an atelier large enough to work in and to stock everything. I would not have to displace household furniture and unpack my art box every time I want to work. There would be a more natual flow to the process. It would not be side-tracked or obstructed by everyday problems to the same extent.

Oh, and my brother can be very creative with money - he's an accountant.

If I had enough money to be able to quit my day job I guarantee I'd be more creative.

Real artists do not get their inspiration from the amount of financial reward is held up as an incentive . They get their drive from serious work and study of their craft, not idle silly chatter and comical remarks about money.

If any of you have actually taken the time to study masters of art you would know that their motive is one far above the level of monetary economics and financial reward, i.e. "money". Money is achieved only through business techniques, not artistic talent as it were.