Need Artist To Create From My Designs

First you need to upload what you did. Second, you mention nothing of compensation, ie; pay.

Not sure how any of that works
What do you start at an hour
Or poster

I don't, I'm a photographer, not an illustrator.
This is more a selling site than a job site. That doesn't mean someone wouldn't do it but you should research how much an illustrator gets for his/her work.

Yikes! I can't wait to read the response to this thread! lol

My first thought is that it may be better to start with getting permission from the owners of Twilight Zone before you create the art. It could be you end up with a lot of art that you can't do anything commercial with, include selling posters or prints.

But I am for sure not a lawyer but I would not touch this with out permission first even if a lawyer said he thought it was okay. The lawyer may say sure go ahead, that is legal. But Twilight owners may have a different legal opinion. The idea is not to be able to win in court, it is to avoid going to court. Only want to do that may be with permission form the owners.

You can't imagine how long it took me to get in contact w right people
Finally did
They rejected first attempt said it needed more art then they would consider
I know who contact and what they might accept now
Just need artist
Trust me I know legal ramifications
And aware it can only be used for personal use
Have spoken w productions legal etc

Well, there you go. There are probably more then a few people that have done this kind of work in here. Maybe they will step forward and you can find someone to work with.

Best of luck to you. It sounds like a great project.

The Rod Serling Memorial foundation said they might consider presenting it to Carol Serling with more design
I'll wait in hopes of an illustrator
Got great idea for On Thursday we Leave for home
James Whitmore

Would like to see an example of your work/sketches if possible.

I posted a couple already
Don't see a place to add image in reply section
Hold on

John were you able to see them

You should really only use one thread.

For anyone whose looking for her images they are here.

http://pixels.com/showmessages.php?messageid=2561054

Oh, sorry, I just saw this thread. I replied in the other one. Still don't know that I'd touch this project. 75-80 posters that may or may not be legally commercially viable? Sounds like spec work to me, and you still don't have permission from CBS to use their copyrighted material. It would have to be illustrated completely from the ground up, and the average price for one professional full page illustration is in the neighborhood of $500-$1000. Even if you found an artist willing to give you a huge discount, have you budgeted upwards of $10k for this?

The images are on these posts

http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=2561041
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=2561054
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=2561047

Do not keep opening new posts please. Use a site like photobucket to upload the work and then use the code they give you to embed the html thumbnails

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its kind of a tough thing - so your saying that in order to maybe get permission, you need to get the artwork to show to them first. but until then its a copyright violation and the artist has to trust you are actually going to use this for personal use, and then maybe commercial. but in any case the person that makes the work is really the one who is in trouble - not you the one that got it.

if i were a designer i would really be hesitant to do this project.

further you have to come up with a price in your head and tell us your budget.

i think any smart artist would want to see the permission first before starting. otherwise it will be a huge waste of time. also you'll have to realize that custom work will probably be much more expensive then you think.

and why so many posters? re reading that, you want that many designs? that could take years to make. you would have to find an artist that has nothing else to do but that. with that many - you will be paying A LOT of money and in the end, if they say no to your idea, then your totally out the money. and if you use those images anyway, both you and the artist will probably get in trouble. i'm not sure what the fine would be for each image used.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

No no you misunderstand
I have no intention of using these in any
Illegal manner
I would not have contacted CBS had that been the case
They made it clear that without their approval I could only make it for personal use
75 to 80 over a period of time is just a hobby I would work on it steadly even if I didn't reach that goal
I was simply looking for an Artist to do the concepts to shoot back to them at some point in the future
They might still reject it but you don't know unless you try
But for now it is just a hobby project for my own use
Not for commercial use at all.

but i'm not sure that there are any artists that would take a chance at being sued. even if you used it for personal use (and what is personal use btw?) if you post it and someone else uses it, it can still trickle down the line. because what CBS considers personal use, and what you think and what i think are totally different things. and if it was for personal use, just something to hang on a wall - you wouldn't have had to contact them to ask permission at all. however even for wall use, the person being paid to make something copyrighted -- they are being paid for their services and they are doing it for a commercial use, so therefore the artist still gets in trouble if cbs found out.


its interesting that they are considering it, though probably because they would want a cut of the money if you did sell them commercially. if you could tell us your budget and exactly what you'll be doing with these, maybe there is someone here that is willing to take the risk making these. i'm not sure how many would want to make the commitment of making that many images.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

You make some very good points but I can only go by what they told me about personal use
My original intention was to design poster s from my four favorite episodes
Walking Distance
The Changing of the Guard
One Hundred Yards over the Rim
A Stop At Willouby
I was interested in immortalizing the opening and closing verbiage for myself to look at now and then in poster form
Then it Dawned on me maybe they would like the idea
Contacting them was the smart and right thing to do
I expected immediate disapproval because they were not sure of my motivations. No problem.
I think if I am in close contact w them and only seek there approval this may dispel any of those doubts about my intentions
Further I'm not sure how your costs work, what you charge an hour etc

My suggestion would be to find an artist whose style you like and then approach them about this project.

i can't imagine too many that would make something on spec that might be approved. i can't imagine what you would do with 80 prints. you couldn't even use them for blog use because if there are ads, it's commercial.

they will only say yes if you plan on selling them - they would probably take a cut.

but in the end it ends up in the artist lap if anything happens.

a quick story - a magazine hired a photographer to take pictures of the biltmore or some location like that where you could only take it for personal use. and commercial use needed a lot more paperwork and money. the magazine didn't tell the photographer about these details and hoped they wouldn't notice. the photographer was smart and asked them if it was ok to place these in a magazine and they said no - and if he did do that then the photographer would get in trouble - not the magazine.

and this is basically what you are asking us. while i can't accuse of wrong doing, 80 posters is more than just a hobby. i'm not sure how many artists would want to do that many even if you had total permission. and then the copyright rights - who would that belong to - the artist or you? it becomes very complicated. and i know if i was approached with this, even if i did custom work, i would totally avoid this for so many reasons.

and the fact you have no budget is also worrisome, most people will ask 50% up front (or more), non refundable, and the process of making sketches and such takes a while to do. you should have an idea in your mind about how much your willing to pay because your idea of how much its worth and the artists will be very different. and just coming up with a price can be tough. like if your willing to pay $20 for it - no one will accept (not many i would assume anyway). if your willing to commit a $1000 there would be more willing artists to take the chance.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

I would advise any artist taking on such a project to get some money up front before the work starts and have a contract specifying the exact requirements.

and that the contract has a stipulation that any kind of court cost, lawsuit, etc - will be totally on the person who is asking for these, and the artist remains totally innocent should something happen down the line.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Again some very good points and you are educating me in what I needed How all this works. I'm a neophyte in this process
And like keeping in contact with them on what is legal and illegal, letting them know who you are, what is yours and your intentions
Is at least a start

You fellas have given me an education in the process

Understand 80 this or that is a personal private goal use, that could take years literally. That may never happen in its entirety
After all it just a fun hobby I contemplated years ago
But you can rest assured I have no intention of selling anything without their approval
Which may never come
No problem though since that was never my original intention
I'll look around here for a style then approach that fella or gal, if thier interested
I of course would provide that person w appropriate names and numbers of CBS officials should they have concerns on how to proceed
Thanks for the Education. Its exacally why searched you out

See a top seller of movie posters sell here all the time and I would venture to say probably no permission given. Not sure how they get away with it, even though created by the individual the use of a name is riding on the coat tails of success without permission and is wrong if anything else...

Dawn, when I was my illustration class in art college, the first thing we taught was not to do works on spec and yours is a good example. Had you had any idea how much time needed to produce 75, 80 illustrations?

No
That's why I'm here asking
I would assume you would do a few at a time
Over a very long period of time
Do it in conjunction with other project
Years possibly
Do you need to be somewhere else in a hurry

What are Specs?

Spec work (short for speculative) is any job for which the client expects to see examples or a finished product before agreeing to pay a fee.

Why do assume that I would not agree to that once we reach that point in the juncture
I'm still seeing if there may be any intrest

I'm a novice in this area but your posts have been very helpful thus far

Dawn, I would highly suggest that you use a local artist in your own area. The reasons are many. First, I have painted a few commissioned paintings long distance and that becomes very frustrating trying to understand and create exactly what the client wants. Second, seeing a photo of a painting or work as opposed to seeing it in person is like night and day. Third, shipping charges are outrageous. Just my humble opinion.

Hi Dawn,

even following links and clicking on your name ( "this page nas no images yet") It is not really clear what you are asking for. You want to illustrate 80 episodes with the opening (spoken) text aspart of the design ?

If someone asked me to do 80 large paintings at a discount I would probably want to see a contract, including all the legal stuff about copyrignt, personal use etc.
Secondly, I might say "Oh , sounds like about about $1x per piece - how does $80x sound - half up front?) Remembering that for example if someone took on this committment for a year - you would need to pay a year's salary as they would probably do no other work.

As someone suggested - find someone whose work you like and approach them.

I have no idea if these guys have permission, but there is this

https://www.behance.net/gallery/6739463/Twilight-Zone-Posters

and this

http://collider.com/tom-whalen-twilight-zone-posters-dark-hall-mansion/

Are you looking for something like these posters with text ?

we keep asking about price, because it takes a long time to get a sketch made, and for you to agree - and that time is money lost. and having to do that many over a period of years, may not work out that well for the artist.

the question still is up - what do you plan to do with 80 images? and what kind of personal use do you have plans for them? a background on your screen is personal use. an art thing on your wall is personal use. use on a webpage can become commercial just like that.

people who have movie posters - get away with it, because they haven't been caught, and its too expensive to sue typically.


we can't assume you can pay or not, we don't know who you are. and you haven't told us what your general budget would be. like what number would you think is fair? especially due to the nature of this, the first thing as an artist, i would ask is -- what are your personal uses for this?


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

a smart person would ask "what is your budget for this project"?

Have to run errands be back in few with answers to your questions
Thanks for the baptismal education thus far

Hey Dawn:

There are websites where you can pitch your idea to artists and/or make someone an offer to do work for you. Behance.net, for example.
You also might spend some time looking at sites like FAA or other art community sites to find a particular artist/designer whose style you like, and approach them personally.

You should expect to be able to estimate the scope of the job and what you're willing to pay. You also should know what you want for an end product. Do you want a PDF to print out and home and or email to others? High res digital image files that you can upload to a POD like Fine Art America and print on demand? Your sketches are clear and your designs aren't overly complex, you've communicated what you want very well, and that's usually the hard part of working with a design client.

Based on your drawings, be sure to look for a person with graphic design skills, or even a graphic designer specifically - artists are not always great with type and text layouts and you'll want to be sure they are able to deliver you your art in formats you can use/print/share.

I do freelance graphic design, and I charge $70/hour. I would estimate each of those posters could take between 2-3 hours, maybe more if images need to be located from the actual show, etc. I don't have the ability to take on any work now (not that you offered :D ) but I'm just telling you this to give you an idea of what it would cost to hire a professional. Many designers charge more than I do, conversely I'm sure many charge less. You just need to find the one that's right for you and for this project.

Thanks thus far for the valuable information.

But before things get complicated let's simplfy
Since it is hard for people here to believe that I have some personal goal for hobby purposes to design 80 posters over a long period of time let's simplify
Let's say I wanted an artist here to do 2 of my current designs. Is 70 the rock bottom price an hour. If it is that's fine
I'm just an old retired Air Force guy. Yeah I know a guy with a girls first name. Yes I have a set. First name is a long story
I have an average budget
If it makes my artist feel better we can after its done let them see it, keep them advised on what I am doing, what it is for and why

Yes I've seen the ones one the web they don't in my opinion do the show justice
Because the verbiage is excluded
Rod Serling was the master of verbal exchange and he could turn a phrase like no other
Again not for commercial use
So let's start w
Changing of the Guard
And
A Stop At Willouby
Anyone here want to take on those 2 at price suggested
Again if constant contact w those in charge makes you feel better that is possible all along the way


Dawn Bertot

I don't think you should feel the need to explain yourself or your motives. I think it's a cool project.

I do think you should take a look at Behance.net and try to find someone there. You will probably have no problems and will get to work with a professional.
Not that folks here aren't professionals - just that you should hedge your bet and get the best person for your job. It is going to take money and effort and time on your part, it sounds like this means enough to you that you should choose your collaborator carefully, see a resume and samples of work and all that.

hers was only one price, the reason we ask still is that this is still a copyrighted image, and your not the one that would get in trouble, the one who made it would be in trouble. i'd still be very hesitant.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Copyright does not apply if he has permission from the holder to use any images for personal use. He said he had that. As long as that is in the agreement between Mr. Bertot and his designer, the onus is on him.

I wouldn't work on such a project (or any project, for that matter) without a written agreement that defined the project and ownership responsibilities. Any designer who would work without that clarification gets what they get.

It sounds like Mr. Bertot has done his homework and now just needs to find the right designer for his posters.

Yes. Let's just assume now that all is legal and that contracts will be drawn and working on that premise, see if we can get some artists who may be interested.

Listen to Cynthia, she is giving you the best advice here.

This is imply not the right venue for what you are trying to do.

You are getting legal copyright advise from people that have no business giving it to you and I would bet they do not know as much about it as you do. No one here is an attorney and they are not supposed to be giving legal advice.

CBS owns the rights to the 60s tv series
Each episode has diffrent owners rights
Via scripts etc.
These as we're the legal ramifications explained to me
They did agree to take a look at my concept
But said they were not interested in marketing it nor would they let me, as either one of those were my original purposes
Either they or I. They said no to both
But did say I could make them for my own personal use, if I did not market them
That was CBS

The RSM Foundation said it needed more art and not just images and words put together
There exact words were
Good first attempt keep trying

To that end I have endeavored to design art concepts to bolster the concept
So if at some later date it is still rejected I still want them for my own personal use

If however, those at your site still have reservations, I can provide your persons or artist with the 2 main responsible persons at CBS, their titles and phone numbers, etc
You can explain what my desires still are and if it is possible for you as a professional artist to draw these concepts from my designs FOR personal use only

If anybody wants the job we can proceed in this manner