Tv Morality

Its innate. If you have empathy you understand how its feels to be on the receiving end.

Hopefully as parents, we teach this to our children.

I agree with Edward that empathy is innate.
Humility is what needs to be taught.

Joe Burgess
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Ronald, do you consider your students to have less of an understanding of right and wrong than you did at their age?


Dan Turner
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The same place you always learned morality, at home. Once parents gave up that responsibility, it's anyone's guess where or if kids will learn what they need to know.
For my short stint at teaching over 40 years ago, I was shocked at how many parents expected us to be raising their kids..so this is nothing new....except for all the reality shows that are occupying our kids' time.

Should be in the home. Unfortunately, the home has become a target if you don't tow a particular line. Now the ultimate is touted as schools and government.

I would agree with all those who say at home. Schools largely were forced to take over in many cases do to the absence of parental responsibility. I heard someone talking about how the media has largely taken this role in many cases, which is scary.....at least to me! I do agree that some morality is innate based on empathy but I don't think that is the whole picture.

It takes a village. With two working parents, teaching moments are more likely to happen at school.

I heard a financial guy on the radio recently complain that parents have more trouble talking to kids about money than sex.

I have a friend that owns a number of McDonald's stores. He is always recruiting and hieing people. He has owned these stores for well over 25 years. One day we were talking about his turnover problem. He said the biggest problem he has that he never used to see was finding people with basic living skill, forget work ethnic.

He actually had to start a school that all of his new people have to complete (and he actually pays them while they are going) that teaches basic living skills. Skills like, taking a shower, combing their hair, brushing their teeth, shining their shoes, washing and changing their clothes. The kind of things that you would think that by the time a person reached 16 would fully understand how to do and the importance of doing it. You, know basic things that should be taught by the parents at home.

So, if some parents are not teaching these basics just about hygiene and getting dressed properly in the morning, what in the world would make you believer they are teaching any kind of moral guidance at home?

"Schools largely were forced to take over in many cases..."

What?? What country are you living in? Your post appears to be a job complaint more than anything else. Everyone can find an immoral slacker or two, but to whitewash an entire population is bogus.


Dan Turner
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Dan, schools teach Character traits, at least in California. A new one each month, why is this? Bottom line is it is widely believed it is not being taught at home. I teach art, this is taught in the regular elementary classroom. It does not come from me Dan so bogus or not it is here. If the child does not learn from home and it is not being covered at home, TV then?

Considering our moral and ethical code is Judeo-Christian based AND there is a separation between church and state, there is an inherent problem, don'tcha think?

Why should tv be a focus at all?
Life is more than being programmed by the machine behind the screen.

"Bottom line is it is widely believed it is not being taught at home."

Widely believed by who? A few whiners can get a school board to agree to anything. The premise and conclusion are bogus.


Dan Turner
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"Schools largely were forced to take over in many cases do to the absence of parental responsibility."

Absolutely 100% correct!

Why do have the tooth fairy teaching kinds how to brush their teeth in school? Why are we teaching basic hygiene in schools? Why do have or schools teaching the evils of obesity. Why are they teaching sex education? Why do we have to teach kids to not come to school sicker then hell to prevent them form contaminating the entire class?

Why are we supplying three free meals a day to anyone that wants it.

We even have school nurses to teaching kids how to take their insulin shots because their parents can't handle it.

That is more then just a few slackers.

I think it should be mandatory for ever parent to have to spend two week a year shadowing a school administrator and see what they have to deal with in the way of NON reading, writing and arithmetic. And the go sit in the back of a classroom of a 7th or 8th room and then come back and talk to me about parents teaching morality.

Thank you Floyd.

When you are surrounded by corruption, the entire "world" appears to be corrupt. That, of course, is an erroneous conclusion.


Dan Turner
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The USA has 4.4% of the world's population and 22% of the world's prison population. Something is not being taught by someone.

From the article you quoted, Ron: "...the jump in incarceration rate from 0.1% to 0.5% of the United States population from 1975 to 2000 was driven by changes in the editorial policies of the mainstream commercial media and is unrelated to any actual changes in crime."

How many posts will it take for you to get to your "issue" today? Kids? Family? Church? Education? Prison? Morals? What's eating you today, Ron?


Dan Turner
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Dan

Yup, and everyone want to blame the schools.

Don't get me wrong I am no by far as pleased with the product coming out of our schools, but one of basic principles at play here is actually the same one in play when it come to computers.

Garbage in, Garage out.

If a kid starting school is sent to school with the wrong attitude, the wrong upbringing, the wrong set of morals and values and all of those negatives attributes are reinforced at home throughout the years, how can you possible expect any system to create high quality output.

A teacher in California gets a spitball in the back of the head and comes to the conclusion that America's youth are immoral and headed for prison. Does that sum it up?


Dan Turner
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Dan, nice to know you live in the perfect world, ever teach?

Where do we learn morality these days?

Where DO .... ? Honestly, I am beginning to wonder.

Where SHOULD ... ? Oh, now that just seems dictatorial, right, when we start imposing any concept of EXPECTED responsibility?

We are all okay, when there are no formal expectations, ... when we merely report observations.


If you want to get this thread cooking, then ask, "Where SHOULD we learn morality these days?"

When you ask this question, maybe I will stop back in.

Actually crime is down and demographic trends are a factor. The baby-boomers, which many of us have that spot, are aging, is one of many factors.
Interesting article.
http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21582041-rich-world-seeing-less-and-less-crime-even-face-high-unemployment-and-economic

The term “morality” can be used either

descriptively to refer to some codes of conduct put forward by a society or,
some other group, such as a religion, or
accepted by an individual for her own behavior or
normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons. (good luck on rationality)

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

Roger,

Checks and balances are in effect to keep us from floating entirely one way or the other. A Theocracy is far from what the United States of America is.

I'm wondering though, do you have a problem with the term "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"? In "God We Trust" has been on our money since before the civil war...

Glenn... it just puts those that do not believe in God in a lesser light. I don't even know what that phrase is supposed to mean. "In God we Trust"... what does that mean? What is implied by that phrase?

Glenn, the terms exclude atheist, polytheist and probably deist. Is it OK to exclude any citizen because the majority is not offended?
This probably will be a moot point for electronic currency will circumvent this phenomenon.

I know what "In God We Trust" means. I don't know what "we just came out of nowhere with a big bang" means or how it is possible.

So, since a majority of the population of the United States does believe in God, or the existence of God, perhaps we should stick with the majority instead of the minority until that dynamic changes. Is it okay to offend the majority because a minority might not feel included?

Can't please everyone. Only politicians running for office portray themselves to have this power...

Mob rule? That's why the constitution exist. To protect the country from mob rule.
The mob said, give us Barabbas!

If the majority believes in God, then the God believing individuals must not be short of morals. If that's the case, there's no morality issue. If they are immoral, I think you found your hypocrites.

mob definition

noun: mob; plural noun: mobs

1.a large crowd of people, especially one that is disorderly and intent on causing trouble or violence.

Sounds like those calling out "Give us those officers!"

So I draw from your inference that you think the majority of the American public is a mob. Out there with their family values causing all kinds of havoc and violence.

This is a prime example of circular.

Sorry Glenn, your circle has a big giant hole and the hole is the Bill of Rights

The Bill of Rights is a balance... and not a hole.

But I see you averted addressing the mob rule thing... and jumped right back into pointing fingers...

Those darn family values people. Real mobsters indeed!

"To truly give is to not expect anything in return.
Most moral wisdom speaks of selflessness. "

This is all great fodder for idealism, but not practical in the world that we live in to expect to happen.

Joe,

I agree with you. I trust people who talk of ethics, but distrust people who talk of having morals.
I would rather have a doctor with a great sense of ethics over a doctor who quoted a religious text.

I also see people who specialize in morals and supply side economics as toiling out of fear to make things
self serving. The results of not obeying the fear for them is failure.

We have all failed. We can all sometimes succeed. At the end of the day we are gone. What we leave behind
as artists has some import to many of us.


Dave

Glenn, you tried to put word in my mouth.
Yep, if the majority of Americans atempt to suppress a minority who exercises it's constitutional rights then that's a mob. yep yep yep,....it's a mob.

David...

A doctor with a great sense of ethics over one who quotes religious text? That really doesn't make any sense at all. Since when are doctors chosen by people according to whether or not they quote religious text? I have never even thought of that. I've never asked my Dentist what his religious beliefs are! I don't know anybody who does. Of course under Obamacare you get what you get for the most part anyways.

Ridiculous.

The best statement you have made of all is "we have all failed". Bravo.

Drew,

The problem with your argument is that all Americans have rights. Your assessment is that America is ruled by mobs. What the "militant minorities" need to be thankful for is that law abiding Americans restrain themselves and don't take matters into their own hands. That would make Baltimore look like a picnic at the Kentucky Derby.

Thank you, you law abiding American mobs!
And Goodbye to this conversation.

Glenn,

RE:....."Checks and balances are in effect to keep us from floating entirely one way or the other. A Theocracy is far from what the United States of America is.

I'm wondering though, do you have a problem with the term "In God We Trust" or "One Nation Under God"? In "God We Trust" has been on our money since before the civil war..."


"Checks and Balances"...were instituted to:

1. Protect the rights of the states over the Federal government

2. Protect the rights of the smaller states over the larger states

........Large states....House of representatives
........Small states....The senate

3..Keep control of each branch of government from gaining too much power over the other two


And with "In God We Trust"

"The Reverend M. R. Watkinson, in a letter dated November 13, 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognising "Almighty God in some form in our coins."[10] At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War."(Wikipedia)

It's interesting, that almost every time countries going about killing each other. find the need to claim that God is on their side.

A doctor with a great sense of ethics over one who quotes religious text? That really doesn't make any sense at all.

Glenn,

Whether you understand it or not should not be the issue. It makes sense.

When I was a kid we had a very religious couple next door. He was a very wealthy famous owner of a boutique brokerage firm on Wall
Street. I wont question his ethics all the way round, but he would have quoted you bible scripture and loved your money.

Morality is a figment of ones imagination. Morality is defined as a social state. Everyone should have morality. Churches teach morality.
But what is social behavior? War? Crimes? Lying? Stealing? Cheating on the wife? Action against the police? Action by the police?
What is morality? The only working definition I know of is as a social set of constructs. It is a social idea. Or ideal.

Ethics is how you do business. Morality is to love thy neighbors, and to smite thy enemy. You can
always find your enemy over the next fence. That so far is how humans work.

If someone has ethics in how they deal it matters. If someone claims to have morality who are they working with? Because
it is a social effort. You can not have morality in a vacuum. Wars are fought for moral reasons. It is surprising the US news papers
dare write that Vietnam was not a moral war. At the time it was. In retrospect it just did not go well. What 55,000 dead Americans
and suddenly the morality drops out of the picture. How many wounded? And about 3 to 4 million Vietnamese dead.

Let me ask you Glenn, the once moral Vietnam War, now declared not to be a moral war, was that war immoral? Can we say that?


Dave

*Social states.....

Only abstract in their nature.

Dave

Laws come and go.
Empires rise and fall.
Religions form and dissolve.

Truth remains consistent.

Joe Burgess
J.B. Imagery

"A doctor with a great sense of ethics over one who quotes religious text? " Dave
"That really doesn't make any sense at all." Glenn
What is there not to make sense of?
It's written at an elementary level.
It's strait to the point.
It is an one to one analogy that can be summarized as follows:
Science: MD
Religion: shaman

Maybe Morality had actually improved over the past decades. Derogatory stereotyping is decreasing. Multicultural marriage is increasing. Educational opportunities are there for those who really want it. A general tolerance is more profound. Maybe it's self perception......what do you think?

Drew... to you last point.. certainly, but largely depends on where you live. Living here in San Diego there is such a mix or race and culture that it just becomes the norm. If you live somewhere outside a city in Maine.. your outlook may be a little different... but it is certainly better now even if a little bit in some areas of the country.

Drew,

Re:.." A general tolerance is more profound."

I certainly agree.


But in the same time, as "Political Correctness increases, intolerance to the "Political Incorrect" has likewise increased.

Roger, you may be right.
Tolerance is generally accepted but seldom given

The greatest value lies in the simplest of statements

...do unto others...

...the love you give is the love you take.

...what goes around comes around.

...give others the freedoms you expect for yourself.

Judge, and be judged!

Jack, truely wise words!

I don't Jack... the first one is a good guideline to live by but by no means an absolute.

The second... can be true but can also be abused by the taker

the third.. has no real meaning

the fourth... that only works some of the time

the last... making judgments is the only way to decide how to live your life.

Bob, Bob, Bob,.........have you had you coffee yet?
:p

Whether it's in government or philosophy, the efforts of martyrs often become a golden facade of convenience for people to hide behind as needed.

Joe Burgess
J.B. Imagery

Three cups sir... ;O)

We no longer can say, "We don't know Jack"
For Jack is the wise one:)