Digital Art Isn't Real Art.

Tell her to come over here and say that to me. I'll educate her. ;)

You can't reason with ignorance. People who say that just don't understand the medium.

that's how people save face these days. they like it until they are proven wrong.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Cynthia is right, educate them!

John, don't send her over to Cynthia's....shes one tough broad that I wouldn't mess with!
AND I just gifted one of her digital pieces to my granddaughter to start her very own art collection.
So there.

Right after she said it wasn't real art, she said "what's real about it, the computer draws everything for you". I truly don't believe any amount of persuasion was going to convince her otherwise.

The killer is the amount of disbelief she was in and then watching the smile on her face literally turn into a sneer.

Tell her: I'll believe that's a serious remark when you sell your car to buy a horse, and invest in a buggy whip factory.

Isn't she right?
All you have to do is press a few buttons , and hey presto, the computer's done the work and you have your picture.
It's all so easy.


Just joking. But it's how some people view it.

Digital art is real art.
Traditional art is just BETTER! LOL!
Now start throwing stones.
:}

You should have asked her if she gives all the credit to the oven when she cooks a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner for her family.

I use that analogy often to explain the effort behind my work. People get it.

I know... give her your stylus and tablet, or computer, and ask her to reproduce your work.

I give all the credit for Thanksgiving dinner to anyone else who wants to cook it.
I have fulfilled my lifetime requirement for preparing a meal that takes 12 hours to put together and 18 minutes to eat.

John: People say all kinds of stupid things. You don't have to take stupid comments seriously.

On this dumb rational they must also shun writers who write books on computers, instead of using a pencil and paper. Clearly the computer is magically concocting the story, just as it magically produces digital art. There's a point with some where I'd just shake my head and walk away.

Drew.....I know Cynthia knows where there are some hamsters....

Digital art is not real art, real art is not real art the only real art is fake art which wants to be real but needs a lot of therapy to believe in itself.

*facepalm
You should show her April Moen's time lapse videos, not only are the finished pieces absolutely stunning but it shows the work and artistry that goes into a piece of digital art.

They won't meet the exact fate of the dinosaur - unfortunately - but people with that mindset will eventually become extinct.

Ask her if she bakes cakes and then point out that all she does is throw ingredients in a bowl and the oven really makes the cake. Anyone can do it, even a kid! ;-)

- Richard Reeve
ReevePhotos.com

Sydne, (Cynthia throwing hamsters?)
All the evangelicals are gone, the photographers are too easy and not much fun.......all thatz left are the poor misguided digital artist.
Hehehe
:}

Many people are ignorant of the processes that go into the creation of digital art. A person with intelligence would then ask more about the process of your creation instead of blatantly showing their ignorance with such a comment. On the other hand, some are just eegits and I wouldn't waste my breath with a response. Just turn on your heel and walk away. That should leave them talking to themselves, further proving your point.

I think Dave Bowman's analogy is the perfect one - It's ignorance on their part to believe you press a few buttons and the work gets done.

A lot of people say a lot of things. People are nuts.
Except most of us.

People who are ignorant of certain truths must lead small shallow lives. Have pity on them.

And you don't even have to paint.
The printer does that for you.

LOL at Andy!

Btw, don't you just press a few buttons to have the computer produce a fractal?

Was it Monsieur Danl's daughter?

That's what I get for not reading a post properly.

Andy, when you're ready to get past the silver surfer stage and deal with the jaggies or learn how to paint digitally, let me know, because you're off to a great start. As Sydne has said, digital art is a progression, from simpler to more complex. Some digital work such as animation can take years. The fun really begins when you can use your own photography, draw, paint, or build a model (wire sculpting with a little surface property science mixed in). You aren't going to do it in a few minutes since you'll know what you are seeing better.



So is this, but traditionally:

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Both took the same amount of time. I sketched before painting the digital image (more accurately sketched, painted on a stool, and then painted digitally) and while I painted the acrylic image straight away as familiarity with the subject of dogs helps tremendously.

Digital art isn't going to make up for the time anyone needs to study anatomy, perspective, properties of refracted light, caustics, design (hi, Marlene :)) etc. I did the bulk of my learning with cheap pastels and newsprint and I mean 2 or 3 feet worth of paper portfolios filled to the brim and use everything I can with my digital art. When you master digital art, you'll understand a little more. Yes, I'm pretty sure you're going to be tempted again :)

P.S. Another acrylic painting you might like. Pardon the camera phone: https://www.flickr.com/photos/studio-in-blue/5604542666/.

P.S.S. If you want me to start copying digital production techniques people have contributed here, I can. it can be reproduced by adding analog elements with all of the beautiful variations you would like.

- artistic expression is any more or less valid ?
- lacks intelectual integrity?

maybe...
-new interpretation , new visual series

......new interpretation of the logical series
...loneliness creation exile
..acquisition loss
love death

Need your criticism it excites me

Thank you for your attention ..

Makes one stop and contemplate.

*Disclaimer -- I didn't delve into the Big Abyss (AKA The Big Skip).

When someone tells me my digital work is created by the computer, I tell them this --

'Go home and boot up your computer. When it's fully booted, tell your computer what kind of image you'd like it to create for you. Speak clearly and in detail, so there's no misunderstanding between you and the machine. Leave the computer running, and concentrate on your desired image as you're falling asleep. Do this as many nights as you feel your image requires.

In a week, have a good look at the art your computer has created for you.

I'd love to see the results. Here, take my card and email address; I hope to hear from you soon!'

Then I laugh it off, making them wonder if I'm just kidding -- not actually insulting their intelligence. :-)

After about twenty years of using variations of this response, I've made three sales to skeptics (one was a 5-piece series), and answered a zillion questions on the hows and whys of digital art -- at least giving the uninitiated something to think about.

I guesstimate that 80% remain rampantly ignorant, walking away with their minds as tightly closed as ever. C'est la vie; I won't waste my time trying to educate someone who is willfully resistant to learning.

I'm happy to say that selling digital art is significantly easier than it was when I made and sold my first piece, back in 1994. Two of my good friends -- a gay couple -- used to tease that I'd make my living selling digital art around the same time they could legally marry. We predicted that would be in 2020.

They were married two years ago. You can guess what I gave them as a wedding present. ;-)

Things -- and people -- can change, thank goodness! 'Eventually', though sometimes disheartening, is better than 'never'.

Wendy, that's a fantastic idea. Would it be alright to "borrow" that if it's not copyrighted :)?

What I tell:

To me, tools used do not matter, what is important is the idea and the way you show the idea by playing with colours, transparency, the graduated tints, and so on.

And how that would be possible with a brush?

Wendy ..ok
... Leave the computer (+Sony PS3 Eye cameras or 4 Kinect sensors ) running, and concentrate on your desired image as you're falling asleep. Do this as many nights as you feel your image ready......mabee afrodita? http://samlib.ru/img/s/sutugin_a_n/afrodita/afrodita.jpg
(if the model - Victoria 4 DAZ :)

Vincent ok- playing with colours, transparency, the graduated tints .....

- BRUSH IS YOUR BODY, PAINT IS YOUR MODEL

.......Then HE said, "Let us make mankind in our image, to be like us. Let them be masters over the fish in the ocean, the birds that fly, the livestock, everything that crawls on the earth, and over the earth itself!"




- it is unlikely we will surpass him :)

Thank you for your attention ..

I am fully aware that I have only dipped my toe into a large sea of digital art and I wasn't trying to patronize digital artists. One has to learn the tools of the trade before one can create a masterpiece and I have a lot to learn. I managed to create something that was much more accomplished than my first paintings (and maybe my present ones too). And I am sure that the more I advance the more interesting it will become.

What I discovered is that, for me, it is a much more cerebral method. There is less sensuality - no touch or smell. When I paint there is the smell of turps, linseed oil, mediums, etc and the pressure on the brush or knife and the finish on the surface. When I work with wood there is the smell of the essence when it is cut, and of the various finishes and the feel of the wood and tools. Even metalwork has its own smells and touch. A mouse feels the same whatever I do with it. However the artistry or creativity is the same in all forms of art. The craft (usage of tools and proficiency) is different in all forms. Each artist must make their choice.

Maybe I should put a bowl of turps or a basin of Oak chippings next to my keyboard, LOL.

The pause that refreshes... Here, artist Anthony Howe demonstrates how his sculptures come to life via digital modes.

You can have the best of both...and inevitably, many more, worlds.



At the 1967 World's Fair, I first saw kinetic sculptor Jean Tinguely's installation at the France pavilion -- been fascinated with the possibilities ever since.


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Lol, Andy. Ok. Sorry for misinterpreting and getting a little short. Well maybe a wacom will help with some of that touch but it might ruin traditional drawing if you become too kinesthetically acclimated to that method. As far as smell, there was a failed attempt to market a "scent" printer...

Edit: Hypnotic, Carmen. Thank you for sharing.

As one great thinker once said - the artistic object or artifact (book, painting, music, sculpture, photo etc etc)
is simply an occasion which gives rise to a unique event - the response! Art (not as artifact) is all about the
response, the interpretation. Some consider that great art "must have taken a deal of blood sweat & tears to
produce" - which is often the case: witness the torment of a van Gogh, or a Beethoven (he went deaf).

But if your art - and very good art at that - can be simply produced - it is still nonetheless great art (unless
of course, it isn't!!!) - yet defeats the expectation that greatness is proportional to effort... ? As l say, art
is all in each and every unique response in the experience of the auditor/viewer/reader...

ln Paris l once saw some very effective, simply produced art in a street market at Bastille. A notice firmly
pinned above these decorous pieces stated simply "Do not ask the artist how these objects were made!"
'Nuff said!

Have I missed Sydne's post? I can't see the 'hypnotic' content you're referring to, Vanessa.....


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No, you missed my blunder. Correcting accordingly, Carmen. The post was yours :D

Dear Jack - it is very easy......... propose six activities, services or functions of contemporary artists:

Create places for some human purpose.
Create extraordinary versions of ordinary objects.
Record and commemorate.
Give tangible form to the unknown.
Give tangible form to feelings.
Refresh our vision and help see the world in new ways.

by Mark Getlein

Thank you for your attention ..

Thanks Vanessa -- glad you enjoyed ツ



carmenhathaway.com

a lot of people think digital art is just click click and you're done.

The same thing can be said about photography - personally I can't consider photography art, because I don't also consider music art, or cooking art - for me photography like all those things is its own separate classification with its own rules and guidelines, so if I say I am a photographer, I don't say I am an artist. I am a photographer.

I do regular art, digital art, AND photography - they all have their specific challenges. Let's not kid ourselves - photography takes the least SKILL from YOURSELF to do - yes you have to have an eye for scenes and maybe you have to sit around for a long time to take it - but in the end it's still EASY. As a result there are billions of photographers because it's easy and it doesn't take a lot of time. It is the shortest amt of time you can invest to get an image. It might take a day or 2 to do the actual taking of it, not the "waiting for a perfect moment" - photography these days is also greatly diminished because everyone and their grandmother now has a camera phone and anyone can take a picture, apply a few filters, and call themselves a photographer.

Digital art is the next step up. It can take a whole lot of work, and you have to have imagination, good vision, and good hand eye coordination and dexterity. It IS forgiving as you can easily undo things and the programs help you out a lot. Compared to traditional art it is more forgiving. It might take you a week tops to make a work because frankly, a little more detail is involved, like say if you are taking a black and white photo and colouring it.

Traditional work however will always take the most amount of dedication. You need physical supplies and you need to know how to actually work with mediums and medias to create something you have actually crafted. Granted some abstract pieces are just a splash of paint on a canvas but don't even get me started on "emotional" art - traditional work can take days, weeks, months, and sometimes even YEARS to complete.

So I think in this womans mind, that is how she is perceiving this, that to her, your art took less "effort" or "time" than traditional media - she might even think a program just auto generated it for you, and thus automatically, due to her lack of knowledge on the subject (and if you don't work in digital art, you won't know any of this) it has visibly diminished in her eyes. I have had the same thing with my work - I say it's digital and you can hear the disappointment in their tone, because if that work had been done with paint, it would have taken MUCH longer, and thus yes, it WOULD be more impressive, but in their eyes, if it is digital, they feel that anyone can do it, even them, and that is not a feeling someone wants to have when they purchase a piece of work. They want something they feel they could NEVER make.

---Shawn Dall

I never looked at it that way Shawn, in that they want something they feel they could never make. Great insight.

You know Andy, you might have a money maker for digital artists, a gadget that emits scents of turps and oak chips they can place on their desk as they work.

@ Wendy ......... In a week, have a good look at the art your computer has created for you. :)

- BRUSH IS YOUR BODY, PAINT IS YOUR MODEL

- Demonstration Realtime Mocap in Autodesk Motion Builder or iPiSoft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kIp1g6-_6g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szWjeVWP1C0

Nice to meet you! Beautiful..Like your style and vision!

Good Luck everyone!

ok ....... Voting in Progress !

http://fineartamerica.com/contests/dancing-desires-digital-choreographing-sexualities-on-and-off-the-stage.html

Makes one stop and contemplate - Dancing Desire .... Digital..............................!

Like your style and vision!
- invite you to Join Contest " Digital Desire - Loving glances"
http://fineartamerica.com/contests/digital-desire-loving-glances.html
Please upload your digital paintings so others can see your beautiful work.


Good Luck everyone!

Cheers,V

@Vanessa Bates -- Of course; borrow away!

If you can get a skeptic to stop a moment and think, "Exactly how could a computer do that?", you're halfway there. :-)

Art is freedom. With freedom comes the good and the bad. Accept it. We will fight hard to keep liberty and freedom. Trust me.

people probably said the same thing about photography when it was first introduced into society.
It takes time.

Would one teach their child how to read only using audio books or real books?

Carolina - good point. Freedom is very scary to a lot of people. They will use anything they can to restrict others freedom.

You may not 'learn to read' by listening to an audiobook. But, if you recognize the language, an audiobook can provide a fulfilling, mind-expanding experience.

If you're open to the possibilities, that is.

Who is she, that a simple negative statement, would be so important to go into your brain, so much that you feel you must give her your energy. I would not waste my time! Forget about her.

Wendy, all that may be true but a child would not learn to read.
Digital is an extension of traditional, not the other way around.

Ps. I know now one can draw on a computer.
As long as one draws and the drawing is not done by the programming then the child learns.

You can learn to read by a different sense - touch.