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Sharon Cummings

9 Years Ago

Faa Sizing Is Confusing To Buyers And Me Too

I just sold a LTP to a buyer. I sent her a link to the promo. Before she purchased, she asked me if the print was right because the image was showing landscape, but the size was stated as if it was a portrait. She bought a 30x40. But FAA calls it a 40x30. I always thought the smallest number went first regardless of presentation. Thoughts?

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Colin Utz

9 Years Ago

Landscape: biggest number first
Portrait: smallest number first

 

Abbie Shores

9 Years Ago

Here in the UK we do width x height

As Colin said basically.

 

JC Findley

9 Years Ago

If we did it the other way someone would still be confused.

 

Frederick Skidmore

9 Years Ago

Sharon, your right,smallest number first,longer dimension last to describe my canvas size. If I'm wrong shoot me ! lol

 

Gareth Lewis

9 Years Ago

Could FAA add 'w' and 'h' in the spots where there could be some confusion? E.g. 36w x 48h .

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

width is always first.

 

Abbie Shores

9 Years Ago

It's always been width then height.

 

Sharon Cummings

9 Years Ago

Ok...Even more confused...LOL I just told her it would print exactly as she sees it on her screen. :)

 

Robert Kernodle

9 Years Ago

I disagree.

I learned with two-dimensional ART that HEIGHT is first, followed by width, followed by depth (thickness). :

60 x 40 x 1 1/2
20 x 18 x 1/2
60 x 36 x1 3/4
24 x 18 x 1 1/4

40 x 60 ...
36 x 60 ...
etc.

Colin U. wrote: Landscape: biggest number first
Portrait: smallest number first


I find this very confusing. Seems to me it should be Landscape, smallest number first - Portrait, biggest number first. Height by Width by Depth - this is how art contests that I have entered always asked for it.


 

Bram Van

9 Years Ago

Without dimension in the Western Hemisphere the format order is: the width first, then height. See also x-y chart: x stands for the horizontal, y is vertical.

 
 

I too find this all confusing.

Off the shelf frames sizes seem to be labeled smaller number first, 5x7, 8x10, 12x16 etc.

Obvious to deduce when looking at an image that is either in landscape or portrait format, but if the image appears more square than rectangular, a buyer could get confused.
If I was a buyer and needed specific dimensions to fit in a snug space, not knowing for certain which is height v length would be frustrating.

I concur that an "H" and "W" should be added to the dimensions.

 

Michelle Calkins

9 Years Ago

In the framing industry height always comes first.

 

Loree Johnson

9 Years Ago

Off the shelf frames don't usually have an orientation--they can be hung either way.

 

Joseph C Hinson

9 Years Ago

I am pretty sure if FAA adds the w and h after the sizes, that it will actually confuse MORE people, not less.

 

David Patterson

9 Years Ago

What Michelle said...in the framing industry, height is always listed first.

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Isn't the whole point of this thread that the BUYER is confused?
what can faa do to eliminate the confusion?

 

Prints Of Italy

9 Years Ago

I agree with Marlene and also concur with adding W and H to sizes or a note stating: width x height. It wouldn't take a few minutes to add this in the code to help buyers out. One should never assume "everyone" knows how dimensions work; in prints and frames.

~ Charly
Prints of Italy

 

Michelle Calkins

9 Years Ago

I guess I don't understand how it's confusing. If you're ordering a print you know what it looks like and, therefore, which direction it will hang. You can then plug in the dimensions.

 

Nikolyn McDonald

9 Years Ago

^ what Michelle said.

And if it's an abstract or for some other reason you can't tell which orientation is "right" - well, that's the beauty of that piece, isn't it?

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Abstracts should come in 7 dimensions.......but seriously....width x height x some folks confusion.

To the OP the buyer was confused, but that was not FAA's fault or anyone else's.

I get confused on the way to the bathroom, just say'n.....

Dave

 

Robert Kernodle

9 Years Ago

Wrong, David B., ... abstracts should come in 23 dimensions, to jive with heterotic superstring theory. (^__^)

As for buyers, ... we should make it clear that we follow the standards of art judges, which, as I said (in my experience), is height FiRST, width SECOND, depth THIRD.

This logically accords with the natural scheme of things, when you think about the human concept of spatial dimensionality, especially in regard to how gravitational pull creates the forces that shape our lives.

VERTICAL is the most severe dimension to negotiate (think stair climbing, jumping straight up, walking hills), ... HORIZONTAL is less severe (think walking a level path). After negotiating verticality, the next thing we ascertain is field of view (anatomy of human eyesight), which is the basis of the WIDTH dimension. Finally, DEPTH is the most obscure dimension (think climbing big rocks and looking down to misjudge how high up you are), so depth logically should be the last listed dimension.

To review:
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VERTICAL - most severe to overcome in human movement = HEIGHT = first listed dimension
.

FIELD OF VIEW - shaping constraint of human visual perception = WIDTH = second listed dimension
.

DEPTH - hardest to perceive = DEPTH = third listed dimension
.
H x W x D





 

Robert Kernodle

9 Years Ago

Humans are vertical, upright creatures - another reason to list HEIGHT first.

 

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