Noah And The Flood

John, I can answer all your questions what having to address any of them. God can do any thing he want's and is able to , He is God, he is not human, he is the potter. These questions have been asked throughout the ages, the problem is we are trying to understand the mind of God with our own earthly human, limited brains. The asking of the questions itself is a flawed ,it assumes that somehow we are equal with God and demand an answer to some thing we don't understand, or chose to understand they way we chose to.

Roman 9:21
On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?…

Mario, if you would.. could you please translate to everyday English in you your own words?

And again why were there no dinosaurs on the ark? Brontosaurs couldn't swim. Either could Trex and all the other species of land based dinosaurs.

We are made in his image Mario so wouldn't we have a bit of understanding.

But what you said is as good an excuse as any other one I heard without actually admitting you have no idea why these things happened.

You are being a good little sheep!

Bob, every day English, the concept that John's question don't take into account is the realization that God first and foremost is sovereign (a supreme ruler), if that were not enough, Gods mind is in comprehensible, one who recognizes these characteristic about God would not have a need to question his authority or his omnipotence. Further the questions were flawed because they are coming from a finite mind when Gods mind in infinite.

I would much rather build my relation with God through his son Jesus on the foundation of trust rather than of rebellion and disobedience, through this method even a human father would be more likely to satisfy your desire to know, but with your frame of mind you get spanked and put to bed early, and get know questions answered. See there is this humility which is required of us when approaching God, God has made it very clear that he HATES human pride. We must approach him in humility and we must first demonstrate a desire to believe, we must make the first move towards God, once we do we will reciprocate and move towards us. That should not be so hard to understand.

Yes, I am a sheep and Jesus is my shepherd! amen to that!

8 why were the birds given a free pass?

why do you keep calling your God, "he" ? i thought God was the supreme being, not mortal.

There is no geologic evidence of any flood event that occurred at the time - and place - that it was alleged to have happened.

No further questions. Case closed.

Because when he sent his Begotten son JESUS who was fully God and fully man he sent him in the form of a man, God is neither male nor female, for is he is spirit and spirits have no body or form or shape or flesh or sexual organs. All throughout the bible God is referred to as He, and the names that he reveals are all masculine names ,like Jehovah.

Wait a cotton picking minute Mr. Patrick Pierson.

Evidence found of Noah's ark flood victims

Ship probes land below Black Sea submerged 7,000 years ago and linked to biblical disaster.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/sep/14/internationalnews.archaeology





Before you take Mr. Piersons presupposed statement as any type of True statement, read what real Marine archaeologists have found, the first evidence of a people who perished in a great flood of the Black Sea that has been linked with the story of Noah's ark.

Using robot underwater vehicles more than 300ft below the sea's surface, they have begun to map a rolling landscape, fed by meandering streams and marked with wattle and daub houses, that was flooded more than 7,000 years ago.

The discovery by Robert Ballard, the scientist who discovered the wrecked Titanic.

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i expect that was written by another man so why would i believe it? your video just tells us about a flood. where was Noah and his animaux?

But I though the one they found on top of mt Ararat was the "real" ark. They even built a museum up there.

9. God gets pissed at humans.

So angry that, in a fit, he floods the entire world. Essentially acting like a spoiled kid tearing up his room and breaking his toys.

But what a minute. God is all-knowing, isn't he? How did he NOT know this was going to happen? Why didn't he just kill Adam and Eve and start over?

That's a rather feminist statement. So you only believe statements women make?

The video is talking about localized flooding. There have certainly been many floods when the ice ages [ yes there have been many ice ages ] ended and all that ice melted. Not proof of anything like a global flood.

by the way that Guardian piece claims noahs ark was 7000 years ago and Mario, you said according to the bible the world is only 6000 years old so how did that happen?

i am so far from being a feminist that you just made me laugh again. no, it was not a feminist statement. however under those terms, claiming god is a he is a very chauvinistic statement. Mario, stop inventing. where did i ever say anything at all about only believing statements women make. that's just a silly thing to say.

John, those questions, you might have the opportunity to ask him yourself, I don't claim know how to answer these types of questions beyond what I tried to explain to you already, which you don't acknowledge , and I don't waste my days thinking about these type of childlike questions, when there is so much more I get from God in being in a relationship with him, rather then imagining all sorts of reason why not to trust him, which may be a direct result of satan planting those seeds of doubt.

ohhhhh so you believe in satan too. i thought satan didn't really exist in the bible.

I never claimed God is He, actually I said he is neither he or she only that all through the Bible he is referred to as he, and his son Jesus also God was a He, correct? so know you again are misrepresenting what I said, but happy that I still am making you laugh. It's better than upsetting you or having you think I'm trying to insult in some way.

Hi Patricia, thanks. The rest of the link is even more "enlightening" with info about how Judea, Christianity and Islam are considered totalitarian religions. Had it not been for Patrick's comment, I wouldn't have put the two, together. Eye-opening.

I'm happy to be out of the Father Knows Best and Donna Reed era!

You do have good reason to fear if your trapped in a minority faithless belief system, I can see why so many of the Godless are so angry.

"father knows best" probably no pun intended, but funny non the less. ;O)

I understood you before you explained the gist, Patrick. I was just making a point about the concept. ;)


and I'm still waiting :))

Bob - hahahaa, you're right, no pun intended but now I see.... ;)

Lawrence - don't hold your breath, hon ;)

;)

Ah yes the unmistakable voice of Stan Ridgway... thanks for that. ;O)

Thanks Lawrence, perfect!

Seriously, this is my first introduction to Stan Ridgway - I know, where have I been, right?

Lawrence - love the video, his voice and, and, and ... yep that too. Thanks!!

He was a member of Wall of Voodoo [ band from the 80's]... "I'm on a Mexican radio......"

Once again I haven't read this whole thread so I guess I'm jumping in here.......... I came across this YouTube video last fall........ some of it may sound really strange, especially if you haven't heard it before... The "talking with his hands" can get distracting and it's really long, but it is filled with interesting information... I'm not sure what to make of it all but some of you may find it interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8

Hi Joy, nice to see you again.

I watched your video for about 15 minutes but honestly, just couldn't get into it and it's over 3 hours long!

Since you haven't read the whole thread I went back into the big skip to get a video that Lawrence offered us, for you. It's about 50 minutes long. If you have the time, you might find it filled with interesting info also. I won't usually watch vids that long but I'm glad I did on this one.

It's titled Noah's Ark - The Real Story and an award winning BBC documentary:

Exposes a crook by being a crook and then starts preaching his own thoughts on God/Noah/Angels/Evolution/other unknowns...
priceless. ;)

Hey... I just realized....
Moses had no idea that Australia even existed.. how did he manage to save these...
This is just the list of mammals... I skipped the insects, frogs, lizards, spiders, birds [ some don't fly you know ]

and what about the penguins?


Mammals

Agile Antechinus (Antechinus agilis)
Agile Wallaby (Macropus agilis)
Allied Rock Wallaby (Petrogale assimilis)
Australian Fur Seal (Arctocephalus pusillus)
Australian Sea Lion (Neophoca cinerea)
Bennett's Tree-kangaroo (Dendrolagus bennettianus)
Black Flying-fox (Pteropus alecto)
Black-footed Rock-wallaby (Petrogale lateralis)
Black-spotted Cuscus (Spilocuscus rufoniger)
Blue Whale (Balaenoptera musculus)
Bottlenose Dolphin (Tursiops truncatus)
Bridled Nailtail Wallaby (Onychogalea fraenata)
Brown Antechinus (Antechinus stuartii)
Brush-tailed Bettong (Bettongia penicillata)
Brush-tailed Rock-wallaby (Petrogale penicillata)
Bryde's Whale (Balaenoptera edeni)
Chital (Axis axis)
Common Brushtail Possum (Trichosurus vulpecula)
Common Ringtail Possum (Pseudocheirus peregrinus)
Common Wallaroo (Macropus robustus)
Common Wombat (Vombatus ursinus)
Dingo (Canis lupus)
Dromedary Camel (Camelus dromedarius)
Dugong (Dugong Dugon)
Dusky Antechinus (Antechinus swainsonii)
Dwarf Minke Whale (Balaenoptera acutorostrata)
Eastern Grey Kangaroo (Macropus giganteus)
Eastern Quoll (Dasyurus viverrinus)
Fallow Deer (Dama dama)
False Killer Whale (Pseudorca crassidens)
Fat-tailed False Antechinus (Pseudantechinus macdonnelliensis)
Fawn Antechinus (Antechinus bellus)
Feathertail Glider (Acrobates pygmaeus)
Fin Whale (Balaenoptera physalus)
Goodfellow's Tree-kangaroo (Dendrolagus goodfellowi)
Greater Glider (Petauroides volans)
Green Ringtail Possum (Pseudocheirus archeri)
Grey-headed Flying-fox (Pteropus poliocephalus)
Hog Deer (Cervus porcinus)
House Mouse (Mus musculus)
Humpback Whale (Megaptera novaeangliae)
Killer Whale (Orcinus orca)
Koala (Phascolarctos cinereus)
Long-finned Pilot Whale (Globicephala melas)
Long-nosed Bandicoot (Perameles nasuta)
Long-nosed Potoroo (Potorous tridactylus)
Lumholtz's Tree-kangaroo (Dendrolagus lumholtzi)
Mareeba Rock-wallaby (Petrogale mareeba)
Mitchell's Hopping Mouse (Notomys mitchelli)
Mountain Brushtail Possum (Trichosurus cunninghami)
Musky Rat Kangaroo (Hypsiprymnodon moschatus)
New Zealand Fur Seal (Arctocephalus fosteri)
Northern Brown Bandicoot (Isoodon macrourus)
Northern Brushtail Possum (Trichosurus arnhemensis)
Numbat (Myrmecobius fasciatus)
Pantropical Spotted Dolphin (Stenella attenuata)
Parma Wallaby (Macropus parma)
Platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus)
Quokka (Setonix brachyurus)
Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)
Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)
Red Kangaroo (Macropus rufus)
Red-legged Pademelon (Thylogale stigmatica)
Red-necked Pademelon (Thylogale thetis)
Red-necked Wallaby (Macropus rufogriseus)
Rufous bettong (Aepyprymnus rufescens)
Rusa (Cervus timorensis)
Sambar (Cervus unicolor)
Short-beaked Common Dolphin (Delphinus delphis)
Short-beaked Echidna (Tachyglossus aculeatus)
Short-finned Pilot Whale (Globicephala macrorhynchus)
Southern Brown Bandicoot (Isoodon obesulus)
Southern Hairy-nosed Wombat (Lasiorhinus latifrons)
Southern Right Whale (Eubalaena australis)
Spectacled Flying-fox (Pteropus conspillatus)
Sperm Whale (Physeter catodon)
Spinner Dolphin (Stenella longirostris)
Spotted Cuscus (Spilocuscus maculatus)
Squirrel Glider (Petaurus norfolcensis)
Striped Dolphin (Stenella coeruleoalba)
Sugar Glider (Petaurus breviceps)
Swamp Wallaby (Wallabia bicolor)
Tammar Wallaby (Macropus eugenii)
Tasmanian Bettong (Bettongia gaimardi)
Tasmanian Devil (Sarcophilus harrisii)
Tasmanian Pademelon (Thylogale billardierii)
Tasmanian Tiger (Thylacine) (Thylacinus cynocephalus)
Tiger Quoll (Dasyurus maculatus)
Water Buffalo (Bubalus bubalus)
Water-rat (Hydromys chrysogaster)
Western Grey Kangaroo (Macropus fuliginosus)
Whiptail Wallaby (Macropus parryi)
Yellow-bellied Glider (Petaurus australis)
Yellow-footed Antechinus (Antechinus flavipes)
Yellow-footed Rock-wallaby (Petrogale xanthopus)

Marines back to top


Boulder Coral (Porites sp)
Plate Coral (Acropora sp2)
Staghorn Coral (Acropora sp)

Reptiles back to top


Amythystine Python (Morelia amethistina)
Arafura File Snake (Acrochordus arafurae)
Asian House Gecko (Hemidactylus frenatus)
Banded Sea Snake (Laticauda colubrina)
Barking Gecko (Underwoodisaurus milii)
Bearded Dragon (Pogona barbata)
Black Tiger Snake (Notechis ater)
Black-headed Monitor (Varanus tristis)
Black-headed Python (Aspidites melanocephalus)
Black-headed sea snake (Hydrophis melanocephalus)
Blind Snake (Ramphotyphlops braminus)
Blotched Blue-tongue Lizard (Tiliqua nigrolutea)
Blue Mountain Water Skink (Eulamprus leuraensis)
Blue-lipped Sea Krait (Laticauda laticaudata)
Blue-tailed Skink (Cryptoblepharus egeriae)
Bockadam (Cerberus rhynchops)
Boulenger's Skink (Morethia boulengeri)
Boyd's Forest Dragon (Hypsilurus boydii)
Brisbane Short-necked Turtle (Emydura signata)
Broad-Banded Sand Swimmer (Eremiascincus richardsonii)
Broad-headed Snake (Hoplocephalus bungaroides)
Broad-tailed Gecko (Phyllurus platurus)
Brown Tree Snake (Boiga irregularis)
Burton's Legless Lizard (Lialis burtonis)
Carpet Python (Morelia spilota)
Central Bearded Dragon (Pogona vitticeps)
Central Netted Dragon (Ctenophorus nuchalis)
Centralian Blue-tongue Lizard (Tiliqua multifasciata)
Centralian Carpet Python (Morelia bredli)
Chappell Island Tiger Snake (Notechis ater serventyi)
Children's python (Antaresia childreni)
Clawless Gecko (Crenadactylus ocellatus)
Coastal Carpet Python (Morelia spilota mcdowelli)
Coastal Taipan (Oxyuranus scutellatus)
Collett's Snake (Pseudechis colletti)
Common Blue Tongue (Tiliqua scincoides)
Common Scaly Foot (Pygopus lepidopodus)
Cunningham's Skink (Egernia cunninghami)
D'alberti's Python (Leiopython albertisii)
Desert Death Adder (Acanthophis pyrrhus)
Diamond Python (Morelia spilota spilota)
Dugite (Pseudonaja affinis)
Dwarf Bearded Dragon (Pogona minor minima)
Earless Dragon (Tympanocryptis tetraporophora)
Eastern Brown Snake (Pseudonaja textilis)
Eastern Dtella (Gehyra dubia)
Eastern Small-eyed Snake (Rhinoplocephalus nigrescens)
Eastern Snake-necked Turtle (Chelodina longicollis)
Eastern Three-lined Skink (Bassiana duperreyi)
Eastern Tiger Snake (Notechis scutatus)
Eastern Water Dragon (Physignathus lesueurii lesueurii)
Eastern Water Skink (Eulamprus quoyii)
Emerald Tree Monitor (Varanus prasinus)
Fierce Snake (Oxyuranus microlepidotus)
Flatback Turtle (Natator depressus)
Freshwater Crocodile (Crocodylus johnstoni)
Frilled Lizard (Chlamydosaurus kingii)
Garden Skink (Lampropholis delicata)
Giant Cave Gecko (Pseudothecadactylus lindneri)
Gilbert's Dragon (Lophognathus gilberti)
Gippsland Water Dragon (Physignathus lesueurii howittii)
Golden-crowned snake (Cacophis squamulosus)
Golden-tailed Gecko (Diplodactylus taenicauda)
Gould's Monitor (Varanus gouldii)
Green Python (Morelia viridis)
Green Tree Snake (Dendrelaphis punctulata)
Green Turtle (Chelonia mydas)
Hawksbill Turtle (Eretmochelys imbricata)
Heath Monitor (Varanus rosenbergii)
Hosmer's Skink (Egernia hosmeri)
Inland Carpet Python (Morelia spilota metcalfei)
Jacky Lizard (Amphibolurus muricatus)
Jungle Carpet python (Morelia spilota cheynei)
Keelback Snake (Tropidonophis mairii)
Kimberley Rock Monitor (Varanus glauerti)
King Island Tiger Snake (Notechis ater humphreysi)
King's Skink (Egernia kingii)
Krefft's River Turtle (Emydura krefftii)
Lace Monitor / Goanna (Varanus varius)
Land Mullet (Egernia major)
Lawson's dragon (Pogona henrylawsoni)
Leathery Sea Turtle (Dermochelys coriacea)
Little File Snake (Acrochordus granulatus)
Loggerhead Turtle (Caretta caretta)
Lowland Copperhead (Austrelaps superbus)
Mangrove Monitor (Varanus indicus)
Mertens' Water Monitor (Varanus mertensi)
Metallic Skink (Niveoscincus metallicus)
Mitchell's Dragon (Pogona mitchelli)
Mourning Gecko (Lepidodactylus lugubris)
Mulga Snake (Pseudechis australis)
Murray Turtle (Emydura macquarii)
New Guinea Snake-necked Turtle (Chelodina novaeguineae)
Nobbi Dragon (Amphibolurus nobbi)
Northern Blue-tongue (Tiliqua scincoides intermedia)
Northern Death Adder (Acanthophis praelongus)
Northern Red-throated Skink (Carlia rubrigularis)
Northern Tree Snake (Dendrelaphis calligastra)
Northern Water Dragon (Lophognathus temporalis)
Northwestern Carpet Python (Morelia spilota variegata)
Oblong Turtle (Chelodina oblonga)
Olive Python (Liasis olivaceus)
Ornamental Snake (Denisonia maculata)
Pacific Ridley Turtle (Lepidochelys olivacea)
Pale-flecked Garden Sunskink (Lampropholis guichenoti)
Perentie (Varanus giganteus)
Pig-nose Turtle (Carettochelys insculpta)
Pink-tailed Worm Lizard (Aprasia parapulchella)
Prickly Gecko (Heteronotia binoei)
Pygmy Copperhead (Austrelaps labialis)
Pygmy Mulga Monitor (Varanus gilleni)
Pygmy python (Antaresia perthensis)
Pygmy Rock Monitor (Varanus kingorum)
Red-bellied Black Snake (Pseudechis porphyriacus)
Red-bellied Short-necked Turtle (Emydura subglobosa)
Red-naped Snake (Furina diadema)
Ridge-tailed Monitor (Varanus acanthurus)
Robust striped skink (Ctenotus robustus)
Robust Velvet Gecko (Oedura robusta)
Rough-scaled Snake (Tropidechis carinatus)
Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus)
Saw-shelled Turtle (Elseya latisternum)
Shingleback (Tiliqua rugosa)
Skink (Ctenotus pantherinus)
Southern Angle-headed Dragon (Hypsilurus spinipes)
Southern Death Adder (Acanthophis antarcticus)
Southern Leaf-tailed Gecko (Saltuarius swaini)
Southwestern Carpet Python (Morelia spilota imbricata)
Spencer's Monitor (Varanus spenceri)
Spotted Black Snake (Pseudechis guttatus)
Spotted Python (Antaresia maculosa)
Spotted Tree Monitor (Varanus timorensis)
Stimson's Python (Antaresia stimsoni)
Stoke's Skink (Egernia stokesii)
Storr's Monitor (Varanus storri)
Stripe-tailed Monitor (Varanus caudolineatus)
Striped Skink (Ctenotus taeniolatus)
Tasmanian Tree Skink (Niveoscincus pretiosus)
Tawny Dragon (Ctenophorus decresii)
Thorny Devil (Moloch horridus)
Tommy Roundhead Dragon (Diporiphora australis)
Two-toed Earless Skink (Hemiergis quadrilineata)
Velvet Gecko (Oedura lesueurii)
Wall Skink (Cryptoblepharus virgatus)
Weasel Skink (Saproscincus mustelinus)
Western Bearded Dragon (Pogona minor minor)
Western Blue-tongue Lizard (Tiliqua occipitalis)
Western Brown snake (Pseudonaja nuchalis)
Western Netted Dragon (Ctenophorus reticulatus)
White's Skink (Egernia whitii)
White-Lipped Snake (Drysdalia coronoides)
White-throated snapping turtle (Elseya albagula)
Woma Python (Aspidites ramsayi)
Wood Gecko (Diplodactylus vittatus)
Yellow Spotted Monitor (Varanus panoptes)
Yellow-Faced Whip Snake (Demansia psammophis)
Yellowbelly Sea Snake (Pelamis platurus)

Thats quite a list you got going there Bob.O;

Well... just sayin' ;O)

where is that like button

Bob, thanks for the reminder to take the Australian outback off my list of places to visit... reptiles, oh no!

Well I don't know, it would be nice to have one.

Where's your imagination Bob?

I am using it to imagine a world with no religion...

Stole that from John Lennon ;O)

...Moses...or Noah? ;)

and...How come "Moses had no idea that Australia even existed"?...Didn't God mention it to him?...or wasn't it formed yet?

Oooopppsss :red face: ;O)

Well if that's the case Bob, keep dreaming. Lol

O; Bob!

That list actually seems quite small to me.

Well I left out the birds and fish... since.. well you know
The insect list was just way too long.