Finally! Paying A Teacher Their Due! Jim Mcelwain!

HOW MUCH?? My goodness. My sister would love that paygrade

The teacher must be attracting the big money from corporations is my guess or big money from research, books, etc. That kind of salary says the teacher brings in money into the University and is not the norm but does attract news articles like this.

OK just skimmed the article, a winning coach of course means big money at most big universities, I guess through endorsements and ticket sales. He doesn't have to teach or know much just how to get the players to win games! For those that are not aware football in the US is a Big Money maker for winning teams, trust me winning teams pull in $$$ to the Universities!

Unfortunately what happens often the players in these games don't have to be academically qualified to be at the university, they take remedial courses and have what we used to call a "coofer file" (for coots?!!) full of old tests of whatever class they are taking that is only available to them. I remember some of those unfortunate boys it seemed they were the big linebacker types that couldn't spell!

Even though the players weren't supposed to be compensated some of them drove very expensive cars (corvettes were popular) around campus. Too bad for the girls that chased them because they couldn't get a job when they left school!

I respect UVA and William & Mary in my state for not doing this, all athletes must maintain good grades and are often very smart. They don't always win but the scholarship of those schools is well known and far reaching. They apparently don't need to win all the time, they are well funded universities in and of themselves.

Your title is deceiving...he's a sports coach. Sports is a big business at University level.
Teachers, on the other hand, will never get their due.

He's a football coach, Rich, and $3.5 million per year sounds low for his credentials. There are currently about 31 college coaches who are paid more than Jim. He won two national titles as Alabama’s offensive coordinator under Nick Saban, and Saban pulls down $7.1 million per year. In only three seasons as CSU's head coach, Jim pulled them out of a 10-year slump to go 10-2 this season. Hopefully there's a bonus plan in his new contract!


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The highest paid Connecticut state employees are the Men's and Women's Basketball coaches.

Lets go Huskies. Dan can attest that those two programs are brilliant.

Old figures, they bring in $22 million per year to UCONN. Probably a lot more, that was just one program. There
are two programs, men's and women's.

Theoretically, and only in part, the coach is bringing up raw talent. So the coach gets the money.
Where does the money come from? TV and now the internet. Oh and radio.

Dave

This was posted as more of a comment on our values, as a society rather than a salary and whether they guy deserves this or not. $40 million dollars is a lot of money to dedicate to one man, one program and one dept.

How do you think this makes the other "teachers" feel when they see this lopsided spending on a sport, no, entertaiment,cause that's where the real money comes from, TV.

Seems like Admin positions have increased by 400% and actual teachers, full time faculty has decreased, due to budget cuts!

When a society values entertainment over scholarship, then that is a slippery slope downward for that society............

$40 Million dollars, could probably have been better spent,then on one man and what he may or may not be able to do,much like the over priced coach, he's replacing............

Rich

Sports are fine and probably spending on sports is OK, if people enjoy the sport and it makes money for the university I don't see anything wrong with it. The problem is when people get greedy and don't play by the rules using the money to buy expensive gifts for the players and not making the players come up to academic standards of the University.

Helping students pass classes without them having to work for their grades, what kind of favor is that? Even when I was a student I was embarrassed the university allowed this kind of behavior.

http://media.theweek.com/img/generic/Coaches.png

"This was posted as more of a comment on our values"

Our values? Rich, SPORTS lessons (both good and bad) transcend the playing field, spilling over into the classroom, the business world, the community and contribute to shaping the character and culture of America's citizens. At its best, sports builds character and promotes the virtues of honesty, respect, selfless teamwork, dedication, and commitment to a greater cause.

John Wooden, one of America's greatest coaches, taught his players this seven-point creed:

1) Be true to yourself.
2) Make each day your masterpiece.
3) Help others.
4) Drink deeply from good books, especially the Bible.
5) Make friendship a fine art.
6) Build a shelter against a rainy day.
7) Pray for guidance and give thanks for your blessings every day.

Even if you throw out the spiritual references, that's a pretty good framework. I suspect you see no need to spend millions teaching that sort of thing.

Except...it's one thing to hear it in a classroom and quite something else to apply it to one's life in a daily, grueling multi-year sports environment. Those lessons are internalized for life. They not only shape the individual, but impact everyone he/she comes in contact with.

Can artists here -- and people everywhere -- benefit from this sports axiom? "Perform at your best when your best is required. Your best is required each day."

Good coaches are among the best teachers a school can have.



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Dan,

Sports should be a "supplement" to an education, not as you propose the end all. Just play football and don't even bother with studies, your coach will teach you,right? How many Woodens are there out there? Not a good example. Sports is now viewed as a means to a better lifestyle, NFL,NBA,etc., but only a tiny number ever get close to acheiving that level of play! Even the ones that do make it, kinda sorta, like Tim Tebow, as good as he was, he's not playing today.

Sports shouldn't be the reason to go to a particular school, education should be and now, it's back-asswards.

The money that a Univeristy gets from sports, TV contracts,etc., is I'm sure kept within the Athletics and not shared with teachers.

Paying this guy this kind of money, will be fine, when English teachers and others get paid the same amount for educating our kids, but that ain't gonna happen!

It's all about values and what we, as a Nation value, education or entertainment and you can ask Honey Boo Boo that question.............

Rich

"The money that a Univeristy gets from sports, TV contracts,etc., is I'm sure kept within the Athletics and not shared with teachers."

Are you sure or simply assuming things. Having gone to a big football school I know most of that money went into funding throughout the school. Some went to other athletic programs that don't make money, which is usually all the others except basketball. Some went to new facilities for students and faculty. Some goes into keeping tuition low.

JC is quite correct - the University and the UF Sports are separate although joined at the hip. and Gator Football - or basketball for that matter - is HUGE business. As well as being the center of the Gator Nation - perhaps the most lucrative of all University Sports programs. My wish is for the new coach to get a good team and a better quarterback. Certainly missing the days of Spurrier and the the likes of Danny Wuerffell and Tim Tebow.

When English and any other teacher can bring this kind of money to the University - they'll get paid for it -
unfortunately - many colleges and universities aren't teaching much at all - which is why we import so many H1B professionals

"The NCAA has a 14-year, $11 billion TV deal with CBS and Turner Broadcasting for the NCAA Tournament, and ESPN will soon pay some $470 million per year just for the new college football playoff. A huge portion of that money subsequently gets funneled to the nation’s collegiate athletic departments via their conferences."

Here's another: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/campus-corner/article305129/An-inside-look-at-athletic-budget-growth-at-KU-K-State-and-MU.html

Teachers job being cut and athletics budgets increased.

It all stay within the athletic group,since they have raised it.

Rich

Royd,

Spoken like a true Gator. And thanks for confirming my thread. People see this as about sports and not education and that's backwards. The vast majority of football players never go on to NFL,only a few, see Tebow as an example. Yet sports is king because of the "entertainment value" it brings to TV.

A nation that values this,above education, is on a downward spiral. Paying "celebrities" like Honey Boo Boo and the Kardashians and others, millions of dollars, is wrong when we have people,within the glow of the Gator stadium, going hungry every night.

We have failed as a nation.

What other country in the World does this to the "student athlete"? None is the answer.

Mickey Mantle's top salary was $100,000 at a time when the avearge salary in the U.S. was around $5,000 or so. Then that's 20 times that number to reach the Mickey Mantle salary. Today it's about $45,000 and if multiplied by 20, the highest paid sports person should be making about $1,000,000 or so,which is below the starting salary of new players, the grunts and the big names are signing multi-million dollar contracts and can easily make $100 Million a year.

Not right and not good,just for entertainment,

Rich

Rich, I said "Coaches are among the best teachers a school can have" and you go on a rant about Honey Boo Boo, the Kardashians and failing as a nation.

Are you sure you know what your thread is about?


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"John Wooden, one of America's greatest coaches, taught his players this seven-point creed:

1) Be true to yourself.
2) Make each day your masterpiece.
3) Help others.
4) Drink deeply from good books, especially the Bible.
5) Make friendship a fine art.
6) Build a shelter against a rainy day.
7) Pray for guidance and give thanks for your blessings every day.

Even if you throw out the spiritual references, that's a pretty good framework. I suspect you see no need to spend millions teaching that sort of thing. "

It might be a good framework for life skills, but surely universities are supposed to concentrate on academic subjects?

Academia, sports and life are not mutually exclusive.


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No, but financial priorities are important.

It seems JC's school is in the minority! This information is troubling; most college athletic departments don't generate enough money to fund themselves, and most use millions of dollars in subsidy money from what I gather was mainly from the state and tuition fees:

"Subsidies for all of Division I athletics rose by nearly $200 million compared to what they were 2011. That is the greatest year-over-year dollar increase in the subsidy total since USA TODAY Sports began collecting finance information that schools annually report to the NCAA; the first year of those data covers the schools' 2004-05 fiscal year.

Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy — and 10 of those 16 athletics departments received more subsidy money in 2012 than they did in 2011.

In 2011-12, athletics programs at 23 of 228 Division I public schools generated enough money from media rights contracts, ticket sales, donations and other sources (not including subsidies from institutional or government support or student fees) to cover their expenses."

Source: USA Today 7/5/2013

It seems the Athletic departments should divulge themselves of this activity and make it a separate business that would fund itself and overflow go to other departments, at the very least it would have to be efficient.

Hey...cutting sports is like cutting music and art. Enough. We need those programs.


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The question becomes, how much subsidy are these schools requiring? Does it take away from funding for academics, I never got any benefits from the athletic department, why so large and such huge amounts of money - for a few athletes and those that love sports can enjoy college games on an expanded level?!

When I look back at my years at school I do not feel I got the best education. If the school had paid as much to my classes as they did to athletics it would have probably been different. I think the internet and schools being able to cross state lines is going to be a leveler along with economics.

We are sport aholics in this country and the colleges are funding this addiction with my tax money and my tuition! If things were in balance that would be OK but it has become an end to itself for many schools.

I had a schoolmate that said he was going to get a Masters degree only because he could stay and watch games!

How do you think this makes the other "teachers" feel when they see this lopsided spending on a sport, no, entertaiment,cause that's where the real money comes from, TV.

Rich,

Some of the kids being taught go on to be CEOs. Should his/her teacher feel deprived because they are not a CEO?

I dont make much money, should I become a UCONN basketball coach?

I dont understand why the Professors, they are not teachers, should have any feelings on the matter. I dont care who is a CEO ahead of me
in the super market checkout. Why would I?

The local garage mechanic and owner of his shop hates teachers. Why? Because his property taxes are through the roof. He makes far less
than the teachers, he has no benefits, he has no retirement plan. I think he should mind his own job, his own money and save more. Instead,
this constantly complaining friend, hates teachers for getting paid at all.

Almost all retirees hate local taxes. So the story I just got through can be restated in the same way. I have another friend who had six kids in the public
system. He has a dozen grandkids in the public system. He was a mail handler, so he has a pension. But he thinks teachers should be paid less, so his
taxes will be less.

I think teachers are paid exactly what they should be paid. I think CEOs are just screwing the pouch. I think minimum wage is far too low.

But who am I? Really? And what do a couple of college coaches mean to any of this? Nothing.

Dave

David, why should you care if tax dollars and tuition fees are being spent on entertainment instead of going to educate our youth? No big deal.

I would think you would be for lower education costs since you seem to be concerned about the poor.

"I never got any benefits from the athletic department,"

Of course you did and do, if not directly than indirectly. That's a bit like saying you don't get any benefit from the physics department. Shall we cut that?

Studies performed among students in multiple states, including Wyoming, Iowa, and Colorado have shown that playing sports can actually increase success in the classroom. Various data demonstrates that athletes have higher grade point averages, higher standardized test scores, better attendance, lower dropout rates, and a better chance of succeeding in college.

People gripe about funding NASA, too, but the benefits to society are crazy big:
-- Water Purification
-- Powdered Lubricants
-- Food Safety Systems
-- Computer Technology
-- Infrared Ear Thermometers
-- Artificial Limbs
-- Heart Pumps
-- Anti-Icing Systems

Just because you don't see or understand the benefits doesn't mean there aren't any.


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Suzanne,

I am not clear on what you are referring to? What statement I made?

I see art, music, sports, reading on science projects in journals as entertainment.

I dont watch E! if I can help it.

I have not had my TV hooked up for the last 6 years or more. I dont miss it.

But the budget matters, these things are generally well thought out. Knee-jerk reactions whenever
a newspaper pulls our chains is not worth anything. JMO

Dave

This is a silly conversation NASA and college athletic programs do not compare. List the benefits to the student and academics (not how it benefits the small number of elite athletes) for the millions being spent other than watching a game.

The benefits to the athlete you listed at the start of the thread makes sense for the high school student athlete, high school athletic departments are self funded, a different story in most colleges and who is this large expanded program benefiting?

Why does a much smaller country like Great Britain turn out turn great numbers of writers that Hollywood employs to make their movies have a decent story line and characters (although Hollywood still muddies the waters with most things they touch). Athletics is way down on the list at their universities. Many commenters here can't write and be understood in the discussions that have a college degree!

"List the benefits to the student and academics (not how it benfits the small number of elite athletes) for the millions being spent other than watching a game."

You want I should repeat my posts thus far? That's pretty much all I've been doing (listing benefits).


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That's OK if you can't add to the list of how it benefits the elite athlete. How about a list as to how it benefits the rest of us?! On to the next subject!

Rich,

I kind of like USA Today as a news paper. The little color charts etc.

I do not trust USA Today at all. But I do like them. I generally dont
read news papers. I read online. Sometimes articles from the AP wire online etc.

I dont trust any of it. Too many crazy agendas and sales pitches.

A few years ago USA Today had a front page article on how the US liabilities
were $61 trillion. In the entire article no discussion on over how many years. But
what is worse is how they mixed Social Security and Medicare into the liability numbers.
SS has been well funded all along. This means the liability was counted, but the funding was not.

Interesting way of scaring the public. We have the income, but for the sake of fear mongering
we wont count the income. At that time the lie that SS was going to be insolvent was very popular,
like a horror movie. People reveled in how they would not get SS in their dotage.

Lies.

The other big lie from USA Today in that article was the expectations involved. If you build
a chart of liabilities for SS do you include life expectancies? Not expectancy? But expectancies?

If you take at random 80 or 86 as how long you think people will live in 2040, then you can calculate how much
money SS will have as a liability. Of course you have just padded the liability. Now would USA Today do such
a thing? Of course they would. After all they left out the fact that the SS liability was totally funded. In fact running
surpluses. But hey some folks do live to 86.

Lies, dam lies, statistics.

That $18 trillion deficit? We were supposed to see the US bankrupt by now. What went wrong?
We were lied to constantly by the powers that be. Why would they lie to us? Well they bailed out the
banks, but not the home owners. And the bankers gave themselves bonuses, but the average guy
got nothing from the powers that be. So why were there million dollar bonuses made from govt handouts to
wealthy bankers, but nothing for ME? Oh that problem, the why dont I also get a million dollar hand out?

Can you see why they lied about the $18 trillion being a problem you would not wish upon our country?
They talked out of both sides of their mouths. The deficit was never a problem. Who got the money was
the problem. Little guys sat in horror a few years ago about the size of the deficits, the irresponsibility of it all.
Almost no one asked the question, where is mine? Only the bankers asked where is mine? And they got theirs.

Animal Farm......read it.....if you have not......

Dave

I would think you would be for lower education costs since you seem to be concerned about the poor.

Suzanne,

I am much more concerned about the events that will lead to the middle class being rebuilt in the US. I think that is beginning
to happen. I dont want people to be poor, but seeing the economy improve for the middle class is more promising than any form
of hand out.

Education includes sports. Education includes arts and music, entertainment.

I dont see any of this as an either/or.

I see newspaper reporters selling soap.

Dave

David it is true the article didn't give all the facts, it does indicate there are possible problems with college athletic programs becoming unwieldy.

I'm talking about balance, nothing wrong with have sports teams within a balanced program like many small schools and larger colleges like William & Mary. Let's tell the truth most large universities would like to say they helped their athletes become pros, it's publicity for the school but for who? The sports minded? I don't want education dollars going to pro athletics.

When I was in college my major was relatively new, the only instructor was sub par and so abstract you couldn't understand him, I can say with some assurance is no longer employed at VA Tech. I believe I would have had a better instructor had monies flowed into my college like the football program. Thankfully my classes with the established school of architecture were far better.

Some bad professors dont mean the budget was not there to begin with. Just means that a few profs are not
good at their jobs. Most basketball or football coaches suck as well, but mainly because some teams have
to have losing records.

Right now on the high school level parents have to cough up constantly for music, art, etc....all under the
we dont have the money nonsense.

I know a roofer who ten years ago in a town nearby was asked for bribe money to redo a school roof. The
town engineer expected $5000 for the signing by the town. This engineer wanted a kick back. The school's roof
could cost more, costs be damned.

Our system is often abused.

This might not be popular, but football is a really dumb sport to play. Basketball is another matter, but professional
basketball regular season is up and down the court in a very boring manner.


Dave

"...I think teachers are paid exactly what they should be paid...."


Is that statement coming from experience from actually being licensed to teach in a classroom, and teaching? A majority of teachers spend out of their own pockets for classroom supplies, and number of newer (and some older) teachers have jobs in the summer to help defray the cost of living, and a lot of time and expense is spent out of pocket for their continuing education requirements. The teachers also pay property (school) taxes.

I believe school athletic departments can be self sustaining, the problem comes when you try too hard and don't make enough money to sustain the higher tier of athletes that have come to expect cars, expensive gifts, paid tuition and a large staff of coaches and trainers to help them out.

I belonged to a singing troupe in college that was started by our director and was entirely self sustaining. The university gave us no money except a room to practice in and our director really did teach engineering classes. We did 50 shows a year, all the singers and musicians were miked and all the equipment that goes with a traveling show. The risers we stood on were even brought on the road and the truck that carried the equipment was paid for by ticket sales and gigs at industrial shows, not alumni or student tuition. It was paid for by us the group and not by my mother and father.

Can the professional artists that are given funds at colleges say that? Probably not. That is another reason college tuition is so high the student is paying for the privilege of hearing live music they otherwise would have paid for themselves in the past plus their bed and board! We paid for everything, the key was we were good enough to be hired out and paid for our own equipment and travel expenses, those buses we traveled on were not university owned.

Our job was all year long not seasonal with two rehearsals a week and most weekends I was traveling. We were a good advertisement for the university and were able to carry the cache of the name of the university in our logo. I also had to maintain a certain grade point average.

I know if we did it the athletic department can be self sustaining and not take from the tuition of the students, money that urgently needs to go towards academics and teacher salaries to be competitive in today's markets.

As usual, Dan and friends have tried to move this from a discussion about values,national values to one of "How good sports is for students". Trust me, I've played sports and know ALL about the benefits.

This isn't about whether UF should pay this guy this amount,just because they can, but the "should" part. It's a crap shoot hiring these coaches at these salaries,no guarantees here. If you'll just pause and look at the opening post, you'll see that they are paying off Muschamp's contract,who was the "bestest" just a few years ago and now they have to give him $8 Million dollars to go away. $8 million to NOT COACH AT UF! Doesn't anybody see something wrong here,throwing this kind of money away,until the NEXT time?

This is entertainment, not scholarship.

If schools were bidding against other colleges, for teachers, then maybe,maybe this would be ok, but that's not the case.

I have a friend that just retired from 40+ years teaching at one of the best small schools in the south,a college and one of the reasons he's retiring, is that for the last 5-7 years, the school has made a huge change, and now is being run, more as a business than a place of education. Less teachers and more administrators,among a list of bad things happening. It's become about the bottom line, not about the quality of the education. And that's wrong. And that is an example of "values",which DAN, this is about, not about how much fun sports is for kids, or how it makes them all better people(See Winston Jameis, since you pulled out John Wooden, I thought it was just as fair to pull this singular "ahtlete" out as an example), but how and why these huge numbers are being thrown around, to improve the "entertainment" at that school and bring in more money!

And of course, this isn't isolated to just sports, but that's where I started,

Rich

We need opinions from both sides. Whatever the truth is will come out when opposing arguments are brought into the forum, it helps to dig out the truth and helps one to think through and find what is lying below the surface.

Rich, what these schools are going to find out it is all about quality not quantity (of marketing strategies). Students are going to go where the education equips for jobs. Questions will be asked more and more; what is their job hire rate, do they have work study (experience on the job)? Don't tell me you have such and such student who is a star, I want to know how many of your students are working and let me compare the numbers.

If I had a child I would be asking the hard questions and if they can't come up with the answers it's not a good sign and that also goes for university programs. You can learn a lot from books, the internet and schools on line, it's very competitive and education is not exclusive anymore.

They will have to have the goods and the statistics to prove it. You can learn graphics on line now without going to school (that's what I am doing along with other projects).

Suzanne,

I agree with you, but as the schools become more "business-like", their marketing improves and that drives enrollment and their numbers become questionable.

Rich

I agree with you Rich, you have to take everything into consideration. I don't think though you can fake how many in the class are actually working in their discipline unless they are faked? I'm not interested in how many students you have or how great you think your department is although having star professors and students are part of the picture but doesn't make up all of the picture.

I want to know how many are employed, the percentage of students that have graduated and working, that tells the story. Most students that are working in their discipline are going to let the school know if asked or volunteer the information because it is a goal that has been reached.

An interesting story that says quality to me. The drama department at William & Mary had the contacts with the movers and shakers in NY to get Meryl Streep connected right out of school. That's what I am talking about, they've got the goods, they have quality staff and have working contacts not just academia. Not that everybody can be hired out of school but it does show connections with key people in New York or agencies.

My school troupe after some years got in contact with a NY agency that put them on a daytime talk show, not tremendous contacts but a start, that was more than what the school drama department was doing. Apparently William & Mary have both sides that are needed, the real working world contacts and academia. If I were interested in drama I would either go there or take an acting class in NY that has a history of connecting their students with acting jobs.

Greg,

I did not say schools were adequately funded. I said teachers generally speaking are paid just right. I also said the cities and
towns are always crying poverty, no funds. Many folks want to use the system and not pay in. BTW Greg any teacher can
spend money, but in any group only some save money. Getting a second job is an option so more money can be saved or spent.
Getting a second job increases their life of luxury. When compared to the average guy working night and day in town the teach has
luxuries. He or she can stop their crying and expectation for just more and more. Here in CT at least teachers are paid slightly higher
than the average take home pay. If they really think they should be paid like top business people, they need to leave teaching. I wont be
holding them back.

Suzanne there are two truths in this forum. Neither truth will win out. People are entitled to their own opinions as truths.

Rich, higher education has always been a big business. Glad you finally are seeing it my way. You dont have to like it.

I never said any of this was perfect. It just is what it is. The other options would fail in more miserable ways. JMO

About 150 years ago the English empire reigned supreme and most Englishmen lived in mud huts. We have come a long way.
We can thank teachers for that. That does not mean that they need to get more money. Again they are paid more than average.

Dave

"When compared to the average guy working night and day in town the teach has luxuries."

Seriously!? What luxuries would those be?


Dave, by your response I take it you have never been a licensed teacher in a classroom and taught school in the public school system? Yes, some areas (such as yours apparently) probably pay in the higher bracket, but that doesn't apply to a lot of areas. I'll leave off here before I say something that will probably get me a vacation for awhile.

Greg,

I purposely am not a teacher or a prof. I think the job of taking on wise guys often bent on screwing up their homework is not worth it.

I dont see how more money would fix any of it. I am not talking from experience. I make far less than a teacher. Who says I dont work a lot harder .

Getting a second job is par for the course. So? Really? That is supposed to be an issue? Really? Second jobs in most countries are massive luxuries.

BTW making far less than a teach I save money and live well. It is possible. I also live in a state where the cost of living is higher.

I am on the teachers side. I am not for cutting their pay. I am also for their yearly raises. I said just right. Most Americans think over paid.

These are just my opinions/truths. I am fully entitled to them. Your "opinions/truths' are not one iota better.

Dave

edit/addition whatever.....many people who make less than teachers actually work a lot harder. It is common in American society that the people
who are paid less work harder, but the myth in America is that if you are not paid much you did not work hard enough. What a lie that is. And like deadbeat college basketball coaches who can not win most of their games, the CEO class has more deadbeats than winners.

The regents of the University of California approved a plan to raise tuition by up to 28 percent over five years on Thursday as furious students in the audience shouted “Shame on you!” and “We’re still going to fight it!”

The new contract UCLA head coach Jim Mora signed this past December likely made him the Pac-12’s second-highest-paid coach among public schools in the conference, according to a report on Tuesday from the Los Angeles Times.

From the Times:

Mora will earn $21 million over the next six seasons and could receive an additional $930,000 in performance bonuses annually. He will earn $3.25 million in base pay and talent fee for the 2014 season.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=University_of_California_-_Los_Angeles_(UCLA)/Salary#by_Job

Despite decreases in revenue from both its football program and men's basketball program, UCLA's athletic department still reported an increase in total department revenue of more than $2.5 million for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2014, according to the school's annual Equity in Athletics report.
The department reported a balanced budget with $86.426 million in total revenue for the 2013-14 fiscal year -- $30.35 million (or 35 percent) of which came from UCLA's football program. In spite of the program's increased expectations -- and massive increase in ticket sales -- that number is actually down more than $5 million from $35.656 million from 2013.

Craig,

Now in hindsight it is very obvious California has been very poorly run for decades. Proposition 13 being the worst problem
the state ever invented and probably the beginning of most of the state's financial troubles.

The people of CA and the parents and students of CA at UCLA caused those problems with Prop 13 and other measures.

Why should the basketball coach pay a price for their continuing votes of mismanagement in CA? Why? He has a right to make a
living. Although I am not all that familiar with all the ins and outs of how Brown is doing, he seems to be getting the state
back on track. I have to wonder if he was governor when Prop 13 was passed?

The students and their parents are paying for the damage done by the good citizens of CA. What are you expecting?


NOW!! the kicker 28% over five years is around 5% per year. Rounding down to account for compounding.

BUT that stat is empty because you dont know how much the tuition is. $5069 per quarter. The raise next year per quarter will be $253.45.

Remember California is deep in debt. I would bet the state is still heavily subsidizing UCLA at those rates.

https://www.psych.ucla.edu/graduate/prospective-students/tuition-state-residency-application-fees-deferrals-and-waivers

Just another press story selling soap.

Dave

I don't know how underpaid professors may or may not be at large colleges and universities. I know they don't bring in the kind of money as big time football coaches oversee. I could agree that most teachers in public schools do not make the money they deserve, but I'm not sure what that has to do with college football coaches.

http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Article/Steve-Spurrier-wife-have-donated-1-million-to-South-Carolina-184016 --

"Steve Spurrier and his wife have donated $1 million to the University of South Carolina during his tenure as the Gamecocks' head coach.

Steve Spurrier’s annual donations back to the University of South Carolina have accrued to the $1 million mark as he heads into his 10th season as the head coach of the Gamecocks."

I heard where the money went or at least some of it, but can' find that right now. Some of the money from the recent success the Gamecocks have had go into upkeep on a stadium that has been used since the 1930s. The Gamecocks invested in better practice facilities as well as new dorms for all athletes, not just the football players. Carolina is rare in that they make money off their baseball team as well, but the football side of things helped Carolina build a new baseball stadium, said to be one of the best in the country. Gamecock baseball won two national championships a few years ago and that did a lot to boost morale of all students.

Rich, if coaches were typically paid $40,000 per year and suddenly Jim was hired for $3.5 million per year then Yes, you have a point. Otherwise all you have is a thread with a misleading title and a battery of pet peeves.


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Dan, Quality education goes a little deeper than "pet peeves!"

Joseph, Here is some information from above, nice that the Gamecocks sustain themselves and then some, that is how it should be or decrease the schools athletic spending is my stance.

Athletics need to be self funded, I don't believe funds should be taken from tuition or state education funding. It is entertainment and a funnel for the pro sports. We have discussed this on the above comments.

"Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012." USA Today 2012

I don't think this changed much for 2013.

I get the feeling sports and cats are the most popular subjects in our culture today, judging from the thread on "Cats" that has hovered at the top of discussions for days and Google pics. Big athletic programs are entertainment. Some colleges have the program in perspective. See my comments on athletics at UVA and William & Mary in my state that I am more aware of.

"I get the feeling sports and cats are the most popular subjects in our culture today,"

That is odd. Comparatively speaking, there's no money in cats.


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"These are just my opinions/truths. I am fully entitled to them..."


yes you are, dave. I don't agree with them, but yes, you are entitled. Carry on. ;)

Dan, Quality education goes a little deeper than "pet peeves!"

Suzanne,

Both Dan and I would make it clear again to everyone here that we both support quality education.

We, if Dan does not mind, only support quality education. I dont see how you jumped to the conclusion that
either of us would not support quality education.

Dave

Greg,

You skipped the line where I said I support the teachers. I support them getting yearly raises.

You do realize how many folks hate those yearly raises.

I just dont see supporting teachers in McMansions. Do we need to support what constitutes a life of luxuries with
yachts and private jets? Or merely more than running water? I know they are somewhere in the middle now, so I am
satisfied. Note the only one here using the word "satisfied' in a thread for years, probably. Alien concept.

I would like to see our society stop blaming teachers for poor parenting. I think many parents are skating away from the job.
Wee Johnny would never do that!! Bad teacher!! That crapola is out and out wrong.

In my neck of the woods kids often are not allowed to work common jobs during high school. This has next to
nothing to do with their grades. Parents in the upper middle class know that where a kid starts out he often finishes. So
no average jobs for wee johnny. Wall Street here we come. No real work involved.

Dave

"I just dont see supporting teachers in McMansions"

Are you talking about public school teachers, or the tenured ones (professors) that work in universities?


In your area the average income level seems to be decent:

General District Statistics:

Per capita income: $51,706
Median family income: $109,161
Median male income: $65,184
Median female income: $34,839
Median income of a renter: $47,135
Median income of a home owner: $97,396

Number of Households making:

10 - 25k: 225
40-60k: 385
60-100k: 1,190
100+: 2,450

Here's a link to the entire page: http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/connecticut/teacher-salary-in-avon-school-district/


Yes, we seemed to have strayed off-topic, but it does have to do with school-related info.

Only in America!

Hey, Rich...UF graduate here. SO happy the Muschamp era is over. But--as I understand it, he does not get his contract paid off (6 million, not 8 mil) IF he takes another job, which he has. Anyone know for sure? Or perhaps that only happens if he leaves on his own.

Valerie,

Haven't heard that yet,just what was in the paper,but would make sense to have that in the contract,hope it's in the new guy's one too!

David,

It seems you support education and teachers, to a point: "I said teachers generally speaking are paid just right." Kinda bourgeois-ery statement, huh? Upper Middleclass kinda statement.

" Getting a second job is an option so more money can be saved or spent.
Getting a second job increases their life of luxury. When compared to the average guy working night and day in town the teach has
luxuries. He or she can stop their crying and expectation for just more and more."

Your answer to teachers living just on the salaries provided, is to get another job. if you want to live better,rather than paying teachers their due. Teachers are the ones "minding" our kids these days and what can be more important than that! The quality of our teachers determines the quality of the students and there should be NO limit to the quality of the teachers or salary.

There are without a doubt, bad teachers in the system and more to come or stay, as the best teachers become more frustrated and leave for real jobs. That is what your suggestion is creating,keep salaries low and things will work out.

Take an hour or so and watch this video and then tell me what you think of teachers,education and the "system" today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_%22Superman%22

My statement still stands, our values as a nation are ass-backwards,paying atheletes multi-millions a year and then having teachers struggle and need to buy supplies,because the school has their budget cut...........

Not right,by a long shot.......

Rich

"My statement still stands, our values as a nation are ass-backwards,paying atheletes multi-millions a year"

Rich, the nation's values are exactly lined up with where the money comes from -- which is from the people who buy tickets, merchandise, broadcast rights and advertising to support a (hopefully) winning team. When art teachers bring their school millions of dollars and fill stadiums THEY TOO will earn million dollar pay checks.


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Rich,

"NO limit to the quality of the teachers or salary"

Tell us how that works?

What mil rate do you suggest?

I dont see how sports athletes have to worry about teacher's pay? I just dont see it.

Do bankers now have to worry as well? I mean the teachers trained the bankers.

The quality of teaching as you see it seems to be completely subjective.

Dave

@David= I wasn't arguing one side or the other just putting up some facts. But I do think athlete's should be paid. Football players are not even allowed to get part time jobs because of the practice schedules etc. Many students receive full scholarships whom are not students and bring in zero additional revenue to the school. Yet for an example: A chemical engineer student is allowed to work during the summer for companies like DOW and get paid more than most people make in a full year yet keep their scholarships. An athlete cannot sell his likeness without losing NCAA eligibility and his scholarship. College is a business in itself and they could really care less if you go to class let alone graduate.

With the talk of scholarships and such, I wonder how many participants here at FAA attended some form of higher education on some sort of scholarship, or worked their way through.

Show of hands:

I attended on the GI Bill (Vietnam Era).


next... :)


Edit: And are you working in the field you studied?

For me, Yep. I became a high school teacher (and retired), after a full career in the military (a real long time ago).

Pell Grant to go to school to learn TV photography.

Only to have the field dry up and TV execs figure out they could just give the cameras to the reporters regardless of their skill level. Every time my station manager called a "we need to do less with more" meeting, all the photogs began cleaning out their company cars.

Sorry. That should have been a "more with less meeting," but somehow the latter fits as well.

Frankly, I think UF should keep Muschamp a few more years.

I think Bama should pay Saban at most a half mil a year so that he would go somewhere else.

Now, Gus Malzahn should get a raise.....

WDE.

I worked my way through college. I became an artist recently. I was trained to be an artist graduating back in 1990, but thought
I would do more practical things. I greatly prefer being an artist.

I think teachers get a raw deal, but dont kid yourselves we all get a raw deal.

We dont get out of this life alive.

Money is not the solution.

And as for colleges caring if you graduate or a football player graduates etc.....rubbish.
Colleges should not care in the least. Any kid who does not want to do all the caring himself
should drop out. Plain and simple. When you hit 18 and go to college the training wheels have
to come off.

Let kids grow up, let many of them fail. It is life. Lets get on with it.

Dave

Every summer I gave all my paychecks to my Dad, when I graduated my schooling was paid for. I had great clothes to wear because I worked at a discount retailer and some things were very cheap, I was allowed to buy what I wanted. Needless to say I had more clothes than the average student!

My Dad would send me spending money every month, I think I only cashed one check, the rest sat in a drawer. I was conservative in my spending and ate most of my meals in the dining hall, I had little time for two years singing in a group every weekend so I wasn't around to go into town.

I was kinda hoping Florida would keep Muschamp as well. But for some reason, my fellow Gamecock fans think we should hire him as Def. Coordinator. I'd rather have the guy Auburn just fired who did a fantastic job for us several years ago, Eillis Johnson. Let Auburn have Muschamp.