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Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

Just Wanted To Share This One



---Mike Savad
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Mike, as a critique unasked for, lol,

IT's a childish DUD! Good for a giggle....

Thanks for sharing, not.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

i didn't write it, but i think it applies nicely to everything anyway.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Melany Sarafis

9 Years Ago

I LOLd :-)

 

Richard Rizzo

9 Years Ago

lol :)

 

Weston Westmoreland

9 Years Ago

XD

 

Abbie Shores

9 Years Ago

many here think like that I think

 

Mary Bedy

9 Years Ago

I love it...

 

Tanja Viset

9 Years Ago

Ha, ha, ha, funny - slightly suprising exposure!

 

Georgiana Romanovna

9 Years Ago

I can't see anything. Just a 404 message.

 

Richard Reeve

9 Years Ago

Thank's, Mike. It made me smile :-)

- Richard Reeve
reevephotos.com

 

Hermes Fine Art

9 Years Ago

So very accurate, with the exception of the last two pictures lol

 

Debbie Oppermann

9 Years Ago

My morning smile!

 

Phyllis Beiser

9 Years Ago

hahaha! Only Mike would come up with something like that. Love it!

 

Barbara Moignard

9 Years Ago

lol!

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

i didn't write it btw, just to be clear

http://explosm.net/comics/3751/ this is the link, not sure why it's a 404.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Janine Riley

9 Years Ago

Ha ha ! Think it's very befitting.
I was just thinking something along these lines the other day for a spoof painting on "exposure ".

 

Dan Carmichael

9 Years Ago

Thanks for sharing, Mike. A total gem !

Talking about same, this has been around a while but some here may not have seen it. It recently began popping up again in photography forums.

It's an article and also the well-known Harlan Ellison video.

http://www.slrlounge.com/harsh-rant-working-free-hollywood-writer-right/

 

David Lane

9 Years Ago

love it!

 

Nancy Merkle

9 Years Ago

Thanks for sharing the humor. Nice way to start my morning.

 

Peggy Wilson

9 Years Ago

I love it!!! Over the years I have been asked to illustrate many kids books with exactly this approach used....I haven't had the nerve to do a full moon reply though. :)

 

Gales Of November

9 Years Ago

I appreciated it, Mike. Thanks for sharing.

 

Sam Moi

9 Years Ago

Thanks Mike for sharing. Very humorous, :)

 

Murray Bloom

9 Years Ago

Funny, Mike. Thanks for sharing.

The Forum is loaded with comments about how wonderful exposure is. I post this from time to time for a touch of reality:

http://faso.com/fineartviews/30582/exposure-the-ugly-myth

 

Rick Al

9 Years Ago

LOL


What's the speed of the shutter?


 

HW Kateley

9 Years Ago



Well, that was some cracking good humor!

 
 

Photos By Thom

9 Years Ago

Beautiful! Makes the point

 

Jim Hughes

9 Years Ago

Or as the microstocks say "you'll make it up on volume".

 

Funny Mike. Thanks for the very interesting article on exposure Murray.

 

Miriam Danar

9 Years Ago

Haha - I agree!

 

Melissa Bittinger

9 Years Ago

HA !

 

Guna Andersone

9 Years Ago

love it

 

Miriam Danar

9 Years Ago

By the way, Murray, that was a GREAT article. WELL WORTH the read.

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

So, how many in here would turn down the opportunity to be on the front cover of National Geographic?

Probably no one.

But how many would turn down the opportunity to be on the front cover of The Watchtower, AARP, or Awake?

How about Costco Connection? Especially you guys and gals that hate being associated with discounters.


 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

floyd - if i'm not getting paid i'm not giving my work away. that's why cartoons like that exists, everyone wants a free ticket. they think they will get great publicity if they are on a magazine cover figuring it's great advertisement. but in reality how many people run to buy that cover or even look who the photographer is? i'm here to make money, i make art to make money, magazine sell to make money, they need front covers to sell their magazine - they shouldn't get it free. otherwise everything will be free. why sell art, when i can give it away and put my name under it?


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Sydne Archambault

9 Years Ago

True everyone wants a free turkey! ahem..... However depending on who it is and if there is an opportunity of getting my work in front of people it ordinarily wouldn't be, I would give it a whirl.

 

Deb Wolf

9 Years Ago

That's a riot!!

 

Rose Santuci-Sofranko

9 Years Ago

LOL, thanks for sharing that!

 

Nicole Whittaker

9 Years Ago

hahahaha love it!

 

Julia Hamilton

9 Years Ago

Too funny! Thanks for sharing!

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

"everyone wants a free ticket. '

Really? Everyone? lol



 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

yep, just to ruffle your feathers -- everyone.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Floyd,

the free tickets are better deals.

Imagine of some folks had to pay for things, where would it all end?


Dave

 

Charlie Cliques

9 Years Ago

LMAO!

 

Cynthia Decker

9 Years Ago

I'm with Mike on this one. Big legitimate publications never ask for free work anyway, it's a potential legal landmine. They contract and they pay.

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Floyd,

One of the greatest artists on this site keeps advising the rest of us use Twitter etc because
they are free. I always perk my ears up when I hear that.

Dave

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

services are never totally free anyway. they are paid for by advertisers and for others they pay for the service to reach out more. they aren't doing it free out of the goodness of their heart. and they aren't doing it for free for exposure. they have to make a service that's useful, and not everyone would pay for it if it were pay.

in the case of art - i'm here to make money at it. i can create my own exposure.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

I have only had one charity looking for a hand out so far. I ignored them.
I dont have it to give. I much prefer giving locally.

The ACS has been in business for decades. Never have they honestly said
to the public, "at this time your dollars would be wasted. we can not as a society
do the work we need to in cancer research". NEVER. They took the monies and padded
their wallets. This has been the case rampantly for decades with most of the major
charities. Very very little good has come by them specifically when it comes to research. I am not talking about international
giving. I am talking about US internal needs. WE can not discuss the good done by the US govt
and the public misnomers about that. Except to say most ironic.

I read the MIT website front page for new research. I know how far research has come. Only five years
ago the ASC monies were next to completely non effective. Now as research tools and theory allow for
greater strides ASC monies barely make any difference. US govt funding makes the vast majority of all
of the research possible. At the bottom of every MIT article on research is mention of where the funding comes from.

I only give to local charities. And I dont give art. I have no originals anyway. I would have
to pay for prints to give to the charities. Wont do it.

As far as exposure. If the local dentists want exposure they have far greater resources to have it.

I know how to get exposure as well. I am learning more importantly how to focus and communicate with
customers/buyers. That is a good sized part time job every day.

Dave

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

At one time in their like every single person here has given to, is giving to, or will give a freebie.

You almost can not get through life without giving something back some where. It may not be in the way of your art pe se, but maybe money or time or something else.

Giving the use of your image, when it is the right cause, to the right people, is no different and be be the less expensive way to go.

Why should the art buying community, local or otherwise support the artists, if the artists are not going to support the community?

And I am tired of artist whining like they are the only one's that people ask for something free.

I have belonged to four or five merchants associations made up of about every type of business you can think of. ALL of them complained about constantly getting hit up for donations of merchandise, time or money. And all of them donated. All of them.

There was a thread not that long ago with artist whining about people that take cheap shots at them at art shows. Maybe if more artist had a better attitude towards community, all artists would be more highly thought of.


 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

floyd there is a huge difference between letting a blog use an image in exchange for a link. and a magazine wanting your image on their cover - whining? you mean wanting to get paid, yeah boo hoo.

people donate because people ask, and then it repeats. if they thought they were getting something out of it they do it - thinking its good. its not about the giving it's about the getting. all those places you spoke of - did they get anything in return?

this thread isn't about giving, its about getting the exposure from the giving. and in many cases you don't get anything. only sometimes you might. lots of people donate things and i'm not saying they aren't or shouldn't. but it depends under the reason they chose to do so. because they support the cause? or because they were promised some fame?


people develop a personality based on their experiences, and if they have a bitter outlook at people - that's their personality. that doesn't mean the work shouldn't sell. many people think art should be cheap because its "fun" to make. children make art, so therefore its easy to do and therefore it should be cheap. that's the response more or less, i get from people wanting art - it's easy and you should want to do it for me.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

Well MIke all I can say is there are a whole lot of artist that do not agree with you because they do it every day. And a lot of them are members of FAA. We have all seen the posts where people have told their stories. And some of them have had a very positive outlook.

So I guess all those people have to it wrong.

Go back and read where I said "when it is the right cause, to the right people". Nobody said you should or anyone else should work for free. Nobody said anyone should give to everyone with their hand out.

What about all of the artist that run around with their hands out?

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

your not seeing the point of this. i never said they aren't doing it -- i'm saying did they get anything out of the exposure. that's what this thread is about.

anyway whatever.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

"- i'm saying did they get anything out of the exposure."

You don't know that mike. Some of those opportunity are worthless and nothing but an outright donation. Some of them really are good exposure and add to your marketing program if you know how to use it.

Like I said, it is hard to measure but if it didn't work, the big guys would not be ding it. And they have the bucks to do the marketing surveys to see were it is working and where to put their money or contributions of products.

But you don't believe in advertising so you wouldn't understand it.

Which I think is kind of ironic. You brag about never paying for advertising, but using a lot of "free" services! That's rich! lol

 

Murray Bloom

9 Years Ago

Guys, go back and read the story I linked to about 24 posts from the top. It's exactly on the point of the current discussion.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

floyd your still missing the point of this thread. re-read the comic.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

I did read it Murray. It was a good story. I simply do not agree with some of the conclusions he reached. He has no way of knowing how much all of that exposure he did get had to do with his art starting to sell. He is also saying and I agree, that you can't make a career out of just doing that kind of marketing.

What he does not admit, or even explore, is that if that kind of exposure is done right, it can enhance a good, well balanced marketing/advertising/public relations plan.

Like I said, it is very difficult to measure. It goes to Top of The Mind awareness. When someone starts looking to buy art, does your name even come up? Or when they go to that bank or hospital or where ever art is being displayed and is for sale, do people look at your works and say, hey I head of this guy, he is big supporter of my kids soccer league. Or hey I know this guy, I see his artwork on the front of our church bulletin every few months, or what ever. You can't measure that very easily.

Most successful business do some sort of Socially Responsible marketing/advertising. That is what this would be considered. And it does not have to be donating to a non-profit or a charity. So this idea that if the guy asking is trying to make a profit, in and of itself, is not the test. The test is how much will it benefit YOU, not anyone else. Or is it a worthy cause and you don't care if it benefits you in any way.

Costco has a program where they allow local small business to advertise in their store. Helping a small business is considered socially responsible because it helps to add to the economic well being of the local community. They also lease out space to local small business to sell products. I have a friend of mine that build BBQ pits. He has a display in Costco every year for 2 weeks for a total of six weeks in the three area Costco.

We use to do a lot of donations and contributions and still do. A whole lot of the contributions we used to do were to local artist and still are. Incidentally, local artist were the largest group of people that used to come around with their hand out looking for freebies. But heaven forbid they should give something back when they are in a position to do so?

All I am saying is if you have a closed mind everything some one approaches you for something of this nature, you just may miss some opportunities.

Some people look for reasons to do things and others look for reasons to not do things.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

i think the person who tried to do it to get that exposure would have all the data he needed. simply by asking - so how did you find me? was it - any place i donated too?

the article was only about donating and gaining "exposure". not exposure in general.

charity is a different story. you give because you want to give. so if costco asked someone for whatever, those that want to give can. however this isn't charity. this is someone asking for a free thing in the exchange of getting exposure - its a world apart.

can you paint my house for free? i'll let you hang that sign up a little longer. can you fix my furnace? i'll tell all my friends what a great job you did. can i have this meal free? some how it will work out for you.


charity is different. you'll do it because you want to give. if you get something in return that's a bonus. people are using the term exposure as a form of payment.


and while i might miss an opportunity, i doubt it. there is enough evidence that nothing much will come out of it. i once had a 100,000 trivia cards made up for lawyers around the country - i got paid, but not one lawyer thing sold the whole year. if i did that just for the exposure of it, it would have been a waste.

don't confuse this with charity.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Years Ago

I get the point Mike, you want to get paid for every single thing you do.

But there is a world of opportunity out there if people were to keep an open mind and learn how to make those opportunities work for them.

I did read the comic, incidentally, and it is pretty funny. Actually carrying that attitude over to your business, is not.

 

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