New York City Art Show

Hal, who pays for it and organizes it?

Hiya Marlene,

I thought that maybe Sean had some connections in NYC and he could pull some strings for us. Also, there could be a charge of say around $15.00 for each painting and the shipping costs could be handled by the artists. That's as far as my thinking got at this point. I think it would be great for some exposure to the big buyers in NYC and, of course, some very good promos for FAA.

I wouldn't speak for Sean but I can't imagine a company that runs a smooth POD site getting involved in something completely different....

Neither can I Marlene, but don't tell Sean. :)

if the artists pay for the shipping costs then would we be sending work that was printed off faa? the shipping costs alone could prove prohibitive for international artists not to mention the shear number of artists on here....

Nicole, there are over 100,000 artists here on FAA. I mentioned New York City and fees so it would nearly prohibit artists from all over the world exhibiting. If an art show like this was successful, I would imagine that there could be shows in other parts of the world as well as the country. A show like this couldn't handle more than 50 to 100 artists. Sean would have to be the judge as to who could display his/her paintings. I am only opening this thread as an idea for other members to post their opinions. At this time I don't have the answers, only the questions.

If anything more like an artist conference. Have vendors, speakers and presentations on photography, painting, marketing, selling and related things.

It might be something that grows organically.

One of the biggest and most successful Internet Marketing conferences started like that.

http://www.pubcon.com

First a bunch of people went to a pub in the UK to talk shop. (hence the name PubCon).

Then a bunch of us got together in the states in a bar.

Then the first real conference with a few speakers and an official venue was in a bar in Boston and it grew from there.

I'd guess the artist scene is a mostly different type of person than the techie or affiliate marketer but a starting point might be more like Meetup events not sanctioned by FAA where artists get together.

It might never be anything FAA is affiliated with but it would be a way to start small and likely would be more of a social event at least to start than any kind of show or exhibit.

I was offered a chance to participate in one with another gallery I am with. As Marlene indicated they are a new on-line gallery. They e-mailed me asking if I would like to participate in my city (although I live in an average to small sized city metro area) and how much money I would spend for my POD art (no other charges were mentioned).

I believe because my art is curated by them and given a certain status (my art is not considered substandard by the company) is why I was contacted. I think for the show to be successful the art would have to be curated.

Even if an artist was not invited to be in a Pop Up Gallery it would be good advertisement for FAA and it's members. Please, please Sean can we do it in NY City!!

Adam, I agree with everything you said. Anything worthwhile usually starts off small so one can iron out the wrinkles, smooth off the edges and get it right.

Suzanne, you are so right. That's why I thought we should get Sean and his creative mind working on this idea. Marlene said " I can't imagine a company that runs a smooth POD site getting involved in something completely different." But I see it differently, I see a show like this as an exhibition that encourages people to join. And I agree that there should be a curator for something like this. His/her job would be to keep it organized, handle the promotional work and choose the quality art that woud appear in the show. I see it as an artists/photographers event.

I had not thought of the potential for new artists to join, good thinking Harold!

Hi, Suzanne -- I think everyone (curated or not) received that email from the other site . . . assuming we're both speaking of the same 'other site'. :-)

Wendy, you bring up a good point (I had assumed they curated). Maybe it is not possible to curate. Did you hear of any results from that e-mail (on retrospect I would have offered more prints)?

I'll venture to say that Sean won't bother. FAA artist/photograhers might create a group that would jury/curate such a show - but I don't see FAA putting any money into it - I don't think the return to FAA would be that great. As I understand the workings of FAA, there are only about 10 or so 'employees' - FAA doesn't have the staff to manage all the necessary work that would be involved. Space, someone to be there not just to hang it - supposing we are talking of showing actual product of the artists - rent - not just put it up - but take it down. Then let's suppose even 10% - or even just those of us that regularly visit the discussion threads - wanted to show - a total nightmare of organization and keeping it together. That's just my opinion. But while it sounds great - I don't think it will happen - unless you can get some really great sponsors - not starving artists.

Actually, I think it could be a great idea for FAA and the artists from a business perspective.

FAA doesn't currently have the full time staff to devote to such things but that doesn't mean it could not be done. Part time or contract employee(s) could be used and I am sure there are people/companies that specialize in such things. Could be great advertising for the PoD and the ventures could be symbiotic.

Now, whether this seems like a good business idea to Sean would be the larger question and I would not venture a guess on that.

He mentioned a 'Meet'... Not an exhibition Nor conference

It is still being decided on but is a viable proposition if it can be worked out

My niece works in NYC for a firm that designs and sets up showings for boutique companies like expensive champagne brands and other types of products. She is always flying somewhere. The last time I talked with her about her job she was flying that week to set up for a company at a health/spa resort out west.

Yes, there are companies that do that sort of thing. Her company is known for their artistic design, it is akin to designing a stage set. These companies tend to specialize in what they do. There are probably companies that do mostly art galleries and art display set up. I will ask her what companies to contact that are reasonable and good for art "Pop Ups" in NYC should Sean decide to do it.

Great idea.

Difficult it is to create a concept and to make the whole thing under a qualified artistic theme. Just a few pictures together is unprofessional. For exhibitions, there are the curators bother the exhibition a success. Something determine together is not a sensible idea.

I disagree Franziskus (glad to see you are commenting in English!), layers of art grouped on a wall can be stunning especially if is there are some angled walls or walls breaking the space up mixed in, lighting also plays a big part. I think art spaced far apart in galleries can often be boring.

Suzanne,
I'd like to clear something up...I haven't suggested any other online site in this discussion.
I'm only directing my comments to Hal's suggestion.
I'm still wondering who everyone thinks is going to organize such an effort and most importantly, pay for it.
At $15 a person, maybe one insignificant cost might be covered, like an small ad in a local paper....but that isn't going to come close to financing such a venture.

Marlene, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in my comment. I was referring to my online gallery site trying to make the point it is a new company as to why they may have had a Pop-Up gallery. I was relating to your comment that FAA not being a new start-up company it may or may not be a good idea. I was not saying you suggested an online site, it was my online gallery site.

I do know that the gallery site I referenced wanted to do it and was looking for enough participants for the Pop Up store. They only asked how much art we would be willing to send to the Pop Up, no other costs were discussed. I think FAA can afford to do a Pop-Up if they want to, it's a matter of how they want to spend their advertising dollars. Red Bubble also does Pop-Up stores in big cities.

Even if there was a cutoff and say there is only a certain number of artists that could participate in a Pop-Up gallery, if I wasn't in the group participating I would still want to see FAA do it if it is possible because there would be the overflow of getting the FAA name out there to a greater extent.

I'm still confused, Suzanne, but getting a little less...lol.

Allow me to toss out some other scenarios....
1. If you live in NYC and aren't 'chosen' would you be upset?
2. If you can afford to ship your artwork, would you expect faa to cover the insurance costs while it's out of your hands?
3. If you live thousands of miles away from NYC, would you be okay with an faa artist in NYC area having less expenses involved to participate in the same show?
4. How involved would you expect to be for your monetary contribution ( which would be far more than $15)
5. Since faa doesn't handle sales of originals, are you prepared to handle them long distance?
6. How soon would artists from another locale expect faa to have a show for their part of the country ( not gonnna touch canada or europe)
7. When the real costs of participating in such a show become available, will it occur to you that it's little more than a vanity show?

Marlene, You bring up some good points, now I see why the other gallery I'm with asked if we would like to participate in our own home town where the Pop-Up would be located.

I think I would be happy for the other artists that could participate because it is probably a good venue with personal people contact with the art of FAA. It it is possible it may have an effect that other kinds of advertising can not accomplish besides word of mouth.

I don't see how FAA artists selling their art in a big city like NYC could impact my sales at FAA or in a small city for that matter. I can see how if the Pop Up looked great (I don't think a huge amount of money needs to be spent if the right people with the know how can set it up). It could create buzz, I think of NYC as having a huge impact on art and advertising because of all the worldwide businesses that are located there and the press like LA, London and other big cities with global companies.

Possibly some of the more well known artists with FAA wouldn't mind showing up that live in NYC, it may be good press for them and FAA, or even dropping names of who is with FAA to the press. I can see some of the more well known artists standing there with some of their art surrounding them in different areas, along with everyone's art, how impressive! I think of this as a group effort and all artists are affected, even though some have to stay at home.

Hiya Marlene,

I will try to answer your questions.

1. If you live in NYC and aren't 'chosen' would you be upset?
No.
2. If you can afford to ship your artwork, would you expect faa to cover the insurance costs while it's out of your hands?
Every time I sell something or just mail it, I have to cover the insurance for the package.
3. If you live thousands of miles away from NYC, would you be okay with an faa artist in NYC area having less expenses involved to participate in the same show?
Unfortunately, that's life.
4. How involved would you expect to be for your monetary contribution ( which would be far more than $15)
If this show evolves into anything, this could be discussed. But I was hoping that Sean could/would donate, out of his big pocketbook, some money towards this goal.
5. Since faa doesn't handle sales of originals, are you prepared to handle them long distance?
There are many galleries and events that handle money from sales without any problems.
6. How soon would artists from another locale expect faa to have a show for their part of the country ( not gonnna touch canada or europe)
They would have to initiate a show themselves. The same thing we are trying to explore here.
7. When the real costs of participating in such a show become available, will it occur to you that it's little more than a vanity show?
Unless sales of your paintings happen, that's pretty much what all art shows are called - vanity shows for more exposure.

Marlene, this show, like other shows, can only go as far as the people who manage them work it. If it's meant to be, it will be, if it's not meant to be, it won't be. But I can see how a show like this would be good for all parties involved with the proper advertisements. If Sean can get the top television shows involved with sales and exposure to FAA's paintings, then I feel the sky is the limit. This show will be if Sean says so and not be if Sean says so. That's the bottom line.

I will respond to one item, Hal, about insurance...I'm not talking about during the shipping ( there AND back), I'm talking about during the show.....will professionals be handling my work?


My last show.... The venue had it fully insured...I signed paperwork from the insurance company to verify the cost of each painting. An employee was on site for every minute I was there doing the install.
I paid to rent a vehicle, gas, hanging equipment, special take aways ( printed info on me and the work). I spent about $500 and they covered everything else....advertising, openings, insurance.....this proposal is far more expensive than anyone realizes or has thought through.
My original remark stands....Sean runs a successful POD site....why would he change horses and start running shows ( and hopefully hire experienced people).
This is a POD site....you bring your business here to print your work. If you want a gallery in NYC or anywhere else to rep your work, find one that is in the business of doing shows.
I'm gonna bow out of this discussion....

Many if not most commercial publishing houses today are offering POD. FAA is just a different business model. At Art Expo an annual event in NYC individual artists and companies put up their wares in a booth for a short weekend. Commercial businesses and individuals by the thousands come to see it from all over the world. Las Vegas, Atlanta and many other cities have annual shows like this as well. The economy crushed some of these and for a time Vegas was the big show. but they are returning now. The shows are almost always good opportunities but it's true the show would have to be curated and the vast majority of FAA artists could only expect to be involved virtually on line. In that respect it might be viewed more as advertising for FAA and the few fortunate enough to be in the booth.
In years past I have worked that show and others. A booth 10' x 20' would require a minimum of 3 professional sales staff. As you can see on the site Booths can range from $3,550 for individuals to $51,500 for major publishing houses.
It's an intense show and wears you out but there's lots going on and much to see and learn at these shows.
Maybe something to contemplate rather than a gallery type showing.
http://artexponewyork.com/

Thank you David for taking the time to come by and add your insight to this discussion. Your work is stunning, you may be one of the artists standing in the midst of the show should it take place!

Since I work with the google translator and can only very little English, unfortunately my German text is often not reproduced Translated into English properly.


As a concept, I mean the styles and directions in an exhibition and not the arrangement of the images.

You are very brave Franziskus. It must not be easy to comment although we all admire someone who tries and you will be the one to benefit.

Forget about NYC. FAA should do pop up galleries in cheap remnant mall space, like those Halloween, Toy's R Us and Christmas stores that pop up overnight in unused mall space.

I like that idea Edward, could also be a good way to sell returns.

Still like the idea of a NYC expo.

...100.000 artist should never be expected to have any type of reasonable conversation.....when it concerns galleries and exhibitions, this should certainly be outlawed.....

There has not been mention of any kind of exhibition. It WAS suggested we may have a MEET UP only

That is still being discussed.

I'm repeating this as it seems nobody read it the last time.

There is no popup gallery, no exhibition of any kind. Even the meetup is logistically difficult for many