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Amar Singha

9 Years Ago

Not A Single Print Sold From Here

I joined with FAA on September 2013, and waiting one year, but unfortunately I am unable to sold a single print, although, I have taken every advantages provided by FAA. Will anyone help me to sale my painting ? Please give me your kind advice.

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James Thornton

9 Years Ago

You have very nice work, market it! I've learned this much about FAA - it's not much of a marketplace for those of us with 20 or less designs. FAA actually has great SEO, but it's also saturated with excellent work, and that makes it hard to be seen. The better approach is work hard on driving traffic to your artist website.

 

Joseph C Hinson

9 Years Ago

Amar wrote --

"I joined with FAA on September 2013, and waiting one year, but unfortunately I am unable to sold a single print...."

Hi, Amar. I'm glad you found the forums and came here. There is a very telling word in the sentence I quoted above from you -- "waiting." You've been waiting for a sale and unfortunately, waiting rarely gets a sale. Or, really, waiting rarely gets us anything worth having. Without going to your site, I suspected you would have low views and you do. You're not helping folks find you. FAA does a lot of things really well, but they can't market specific artists and photographers. We have to do that ourselves. You have to share links via Faceboo, Twitter, e-mail, word of mouth, business cards, carrier pigeon.... anyway you can posibly think of.

You have some nice work, but it's going to be hard for folks to find you with only 20 images. I realize that artists don't always have the luxury of photographers, who can generally load more pieces, but 20 is next to nothing in the grand scheme of things. A quick look at your keywords tells me you could do better there, too. Again, an artist may be at a disadvantage, but since I'm not an artist, that's hard for me to say. at the very least, put your name as a keyword. I do several variations of my name, full name, nick name, etc. I'd consider working on the bio. Right now, it tells me all about awards and jobs you've held, but nothing about you.

In short, the questionneeds to be: "What can I do to sell here?" and not "Why haven't I sold anything from here?" Good luck with it!


 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

you can't wait. you have to push your work. i would start by updating your avatar where your looking at us and not away.

Art Prints
you have no description and very few keywords.

Photography Prints
you need a better description than i saw this in a museum. tell us about this figure - is it a god, is it a person? you have to figure out the type of person that would go for art like this. i would imagine a home that has a certain preference. also again keywords are shallow. try to stay away from phrases - not many will type girl with wing. girl,wing,woman,female,posing,nude,certain features etc - the type of person this country is from, any nicknames for this - belly dancer? etc


Sell Art Online
don't mention its a different style, it almost sounds like you didn't make it. tell us about the scene. if you have an original, it's listed on the screen. you need more keywords.

overall because you have a certain style you'll have to figure out the type of person who would want the work and market to them. its not easy selling art. and if your here just waiting, you won't find anyone that way. also your bio is far too long with way too much information that has nothing at all to do with you or your work that you do. tell us in 2 small paragraphs - about your style, and the types of things you paint. keep it simple use words people might type in. there is too much info to read, it's not formatted well, and the link on the bottom should go, or people may leave and not come back.

be sure to join groups and enter contests here.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Martin Capek

9 Years Ago

With 650 views it doesn´t seem that you are advertising and pushing your work outside this site. I have 65K views in a year and not a single print sale.

 

Phyllis Beiser

9 Years Ago

Hang in there and listen to sound advise that you have been given by the above. Your work is great and it WILL sell. It is just a matter of getting out there and being seen.

 

Phyllis Beiser

9 Years Ago

Sorry, double posted.

 

Rich Franco

9 Years Ago

Amar,

As said above, you have very good work here, just not enough. Also, you're keywording is way to short. Take the time to work on your images and then add ATLEAST 20 new keywords to your images and see if that,by itself will increase the views.

I just went and "liked" all 20 of your images and not one had a single like, but plenty of views. Whenever I upload a new image, I ALWAYS make sure that I "like" the image, which I think helps on the search results,which helps with sales.

On my screen/monitor, your images look a bit dark,so I would suggest that you view your images on other screens and see if that is true,or they are just dark artwork pieces.

Tell all your friends to "like" your images. Monitor your views and see if they,visitors and traffic,increase,which I think they will, BUT the most important task you can now do, is to add good keywords to your images.

And of course, produce and upload more great images!

Rich

 

Edward Fielding

9 Years Ago

"waiting one year" - It can take years to build up a business. I'd suggest more inventory and more marketing and promotion. Stop waiting and start doing.

 
 

Bill Swartwout

9 Years Ago

There are a lot of things you can do to "send" people to your artwork. Tell us what you have been doing so far - facebook, twitter, local art groups/leagues, business cards - anything else?

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~ Bill
~ US Pictures .com

 

The first I've noticed your work and found out that you existed. You have no interaction with others here on FAA. That usually means that you spend little time here and cultivating networking. Might want to get involved in more groups and with other artists so that you are exposed and recognized.

Work the room.

 

Eston Henry

9 Years Ago

Joseph C Hinson, that's a very good response. Especially the part about the fact that FAA cannot promote us as individual artists/photographers. We have to push our own sales. They have created a great platform from which we can do that. The more we push our work the more people will visit, the more we give them the opportunity to purchase. I've got a couple of sales since becoming a member last month only because I threaten people I already know, that love art, LOL. Seriously though, I search around for art lovers and direct them to my gallery. It's a lot of work doing that because people take their time about doing things, but creating wonderful work is not enough to get it sold. Your idea to place your name in keyword search is grand! I think I'll do that for some of my art which carry special meaning. Thanks for sharing.

Amar, you really do have good work. As has been noted by people in this discussion, you need to now work on the business side of art.

 

JULIO R LOPEZ JR

9 Years Ago

Thank you to all -- you have provided not only great advice for Mr. Singha, you have validated a lot of thoughts I have had over the last year and how FAA works.

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Amar,

You need to get into American social media advertising in a much much bigger way.

You need to join Twitter if you have not already. Any suggestions I can make privately
I would be happy to make. Just write me.

Join me at https://www.tsu.co/DavidBridburg
That is my invitation short code. The invitation process
is simple and clean. It is early yet with Tsu, but Tsu could
end up being a creative's paradise. Tsu pays creatives out
of revenues. Again write me privately if you would like to know more.

Join Pinterest, this is recommended as well.

You need to form a much larger presence online. That is not FAA job.

BTW FB, Twitter, Pinterest are free. Tsu even pays you over time if you
create enough business interest.

Wish you well,

Dave

 

Ted Raynor

9 Years Ago

OK, a lot of good advice here that I need to follow. Time to change my bio and lower my standards for my own images. Over the years my tastes have changed and my skills have improved along with my gear. Lots of my work that I used to like no longer interests me. However, that doesn't mean that someone somewhere won't. So I am going through my files now and making a big list to send to my site. I do tons of promoting on and off the internet and I will admit to being a bit frustrated. Especially when I finally make a sale and it is only one notecard.

Thanks all!

Ted

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Ted,

The OP seems to have wondered off.

If you want to join me on Tsu. Tsu pays the content creators.

https://www.tsu.co/DavidBridburg

You never know it could take off. If a few great new artists, think the next Beyonce,
what more control over their material they might use Tsu.

Also eventually more international talent will rival American "talents" as social
media plays a bigger role.

Dave

 

Amar Singha

9 Years Ago

Thanks to all of you for your valuable suggestion and advice. Here I would like to tell something about me and my efforts.

First - I am using social sites, like face book fan page and personal page, twitter, linked-in, pinterest, blog and also a website and have been continuing my promotion since last more then three years. I gained a bunch of likes and inspiring comments from my fans and art lovers. I invited many art galleries and they continue showing my artworks to art collectors around the world. Recently I selected as a best contemporary artist by International contemporary artists organization, and have been taken place in their yearbook of 2014 vol-9. I also listed artist in Global art directory and Big art directory of London, and I am thankfull to those directories who helping me enough. But the total marketing result is a zero.

Second, I try to give a description regarding my every painting, but there are something I felt complected to describe and so I didn't want to tell more. Is it my fault? If yes, then I just want to say that I am not an author, if I should be able to tell everything in my words, then I should become an author not an artist. I picked up my brushes and palate, because I feel better in front of my canvas. Is it necessary to bear a significant meaning or story behind every painting ?

Third, yes, I have a very little quantities of paintings, because, every artists should be agree with me that oil medium is a expansive medium, I have completed twenty oil paintings, and few of them purchased by my friends and some well known persons only just for help me to continue my painting. Only two art collectors purchased my artworks. Others are not art collectors. As I am a full time artist how can I earn for my next painting ? Also my studio space is very short.

Forth, Since last year, total numbers of visitors are more then 1500, but you noticed that total numbers is 650 views. I deleted all my paintings, by following the advice of Mike, which I respect more, and reload again with right cropping and color adjustment. So the previous visitors rating deleted.

Still I am struggling every day to sale my paintings, however, thanks once again to all who share their valuable thoughts and advice. I'll follow your kind suggestion.

 

Rose Santuci-Sofranko

9 Years Ago

These are gorgeous:

Sell Art Online

Art Prints

 

Les Palenik

9 Years Ago

Next time, you can just replace your image (in Edit Image) instead of deleting the old one and posting a new version. This way, you'll retain the previous visit counts.

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Amar,

I have begun to follow you on Pinterest.

I like Cubism. I like your work.

Cubism has a lot of import intellectually, but
that does not often translate into sales in this period of time.

A bit like fractals you need to ask who will hang this on their walls?

My art is falling into the dont hang category as well. For different reasons, but
it is not that salable. I hope the next thing I do is more salable.

Hope you will follow me on Pinterest. If you like my work please take up
my invitation to join https://www.tsu.co/DavidBridburg

Dave

 

Amar Singha

9 Years Ago

Hi David,

I already have joined with TSU. Please open your mailbox of FAA, and read. I send a message for you.

Thank you

Amar.

 

Ted Raynor

9 Years Ago

Thank you David for your kind invite. I will check out Tsu although the thought of working on another website makes me weary. Time to shut off the computer for the night and have a beer. Cheers!

 

Nicole Whittaker

9 Years Ago

I have a lot more paintings and a lot more views and even I haven't sold anything so it's not just you ;)

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

when you join twitter you need LOTS of people, and those people have to be related to the things you make, even from the country your things are designed for. look for others that live in or have lived india, do that first. i just found you on twitter, you have 256 followers, and you aren't posting hashtags, so your kind of invisible. and there are very few things from this site. for the most part is see stuff about book, voting for you. and occasionally a picture. since the image is there, there is no need to click on it. and unless someone happens to be there,without the hashtags, doing a search your kind of invisible. increase your friends to 1000-2000 people that are related to the things you make.

getting awards, being in galleries, doesn't mean you'll get sales. often its who you know, that's how the sales pop in. telling people your in galleries no one ever heard of on this site, won't help it to sell better.

every image should have a story. if you can't think of it - why would the buyer? tell us why you made it, what compelled you do to it. something, some kind of meat. you don't have to be a writer. you don't have to erase images, you can replace the images if they are bad.

selling art is hard, because you have to push your idea of art, and sell it. sometimes what you make may not be compatible with what others want. your art would only fit into certain locations, due to color, theme and style. for some i can see some kind of restaurant in india. i'm not sure how much money india has, my impression (you tube isn't the best impression), is that there isn't a lot of money on the streets, but there are doctors, so you should be looking for them. there seems to be a lot of barbers as well, but i don't know how many buy art.

often you have to guess at what the buyers might want and paint for them. do it in your own style. if one thing doesn't work, you try something else until it does. in the mean time you have to gain more followers everywhere. post work every day - 3 a day min. it can't be an occasional thing. add hashtags, tell people in facebook and here - why people should buy it. selling is hard.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Edward Fielding

9 Years Ago

I'd suggest a new Avatar - try a smile, people respond better to smiling faces.

 

Iris Richardson

9 Years Ago

I have to agree with folks here. You have to do the work and promote yourself. Nobody will be doing for you. You have fantastic work and there is no other reason but the lack of marketing and promoting I can think off why you are not selling.

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

Thanks for an experienced informative post on how to use Twitter hashtags and searches for more
serious potential customers. I kind of get it now. I will start with the hashtags and search
for people that take my art more seriously. I am not sure how I will do the latter, yet.


BTW Mike, I wondered why you put links instead of images on Twitter? Is it to get people to click
on the link and bring them to the sales sheets here on FAA?

I am getting more and more RT of my works, but no sales. I am not using Hashtags YET. Will be.

I need my work to be the norm to make a reputation for such work. But I need sales as well.

Dave

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

what would be the point of looking at your store when you already posted the image on twitter? once its on that site, your account becomes a gallery. if you make the tags look curious, people click on it, and then see the rest of the store. by putting the images there, people have no reason in ever coming here. i think the images have the potential to attract attention but only if used now and then.

someone i know experimented with them, and got far less traffic when the pictures were up.

retweets don't mean sales. retweets are a matter of support and are just a game. you rub my back i rub yours kind of thing. or they love it so much they wanted to share it. but the tweets are only good for people looking for that kind of thing. how many people are looking for chopped up or blurred masters will be a tough sale. i'm guessing the - i'll post one a week and build up a huge audience didn't work out as planned?


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

I live and learn.

I figure I am ahead in this game so far.

As an old store owned I worked for used to say, "you cant sell from an empty wagon".

The feel good game has some merit in that my counts are pretty good. People like to see
some traffic. That store owner also used to say, "a busy hardware store is always somewhat dirty".

I like your advice on how to use Twitter, thanks.

Dave
bridburg.com

PS my work is taking a new different turn. I have a lot of work to do.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

just upload what you have, do all of it. there is little point in doing one a week. i try to upload every few days, each image could take months before it sells. and the longer you hold it the more you harm yourself. mostly people like to buy original looking work. if they feel they can get it any place it will be harder to sell. you would have to promote it more, or convince people why they should get your version.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

I took down all my images. I put up five new links only. I can not remove other people's images.

I put in a bunch of hashtags.

I will go from there.

Dave

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

I work quickly, generally.

I am working on new art.

I have shifted what I do considerably. So I have taken some time in here to learn a lot
more about PS. I am finally getting up to speed. I am making far more complicated works
that take a lot longer to make. I need to take down my coming soon sign. The Monday specials
are well over with, and no one cares. So the sign comes down now.

The work I am doing will not be someone's aesthetic featured in my art. I will still be using
public domain works, but I have moved well beyond that featuring an old master stage.

I may need the next few days to finish my first work in this new vein. We shall see how long it takes.

The works after this first one will take far less time. Every step of the way I have had to learn clean up mistakes
and learn again. The second image will take so much less time.

PS is very forgiving.

I took down that coming soon sign.

Dave

PS just using the hashtags and plain links is working already. I have traffic and some RT and favorites from
people who have to come here to FAA to see the work. One DM comment that is really nice, in a matter of moments.
I did a search as you suggested based on hashtags for like minded people and have had an immediate response.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

you should buy a camera and make original artwork.

anyway, i think we are steering the thread off course.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Amar and I have been in contact by PM over planning our campaigns, so
most of what we are discussing is part of this whole thread. I think?

Dave

PS you are using the word "original" very loosely.

 

Shubnum Gill

9 Years Ago

Very educating & interesting discussion. Being a new entrant in FAA I learned a lot. Thank you everybody, thanks Amar for initiating the discussion.

Shubnum Gill

 

Amar Singha

9 Years Ago

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your good advice, I have gained a lot of inspirations and learnt about marketing techniques. I want to say it honestly, that I have no idea how to use hashtags on twitter and how it work. Will you kindly tell me the process of use ?
Also I am trying to increase traffic in my website. At this point I want to let you know that I am using Google webmaster tools to increase my traffic and using mail campaign for my subscriber. I just have started it and already have made one campaign in 25 subscribers. It is wondering that I offered a discount for my first subscribers and also provided a discount code, but three days already left on one grabbed this opportunity.Also I am offering free shipping from 1st october to 30 november, and announced it in all my social sites, but nobody showing any interest.
Anyway, I love to think, that some of my artists friends always with me on FAA, and supporting me with their generous heart. Unfortunately, I am always busy in my network, ( just struggling for a sale ) and so I unable to attend regularly in forum.

Please Mike let me know about the process of using hashtag.

Thanks Shubnum for your comments, you are most welcome.

Amar.

 

Nicole Whittaker

9 Years Ago

yeah, can I get some info on using hashtags too?

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Shubnum,


Please feel free to join me. This is my invitation short code:
https://www.tsu.co/DavidBridburg


Tsu is low maintenance so far. It is the early days. No one yet knows if it will take off or not.

Tsu pays creatives 90% of the revenues. This is the only website that I know of that pays us for content.

An article by ZDNet.com on Tsu.co
http://www.zdnet.com/new-social-network-tsu-shares-ad-revenue-with-content-creators-7000034983/

Dave

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

It has taken me some time to let the idea of hashtags sink in. Mike can correct me later. ;^}

Hashtags are a search tool for Google and Twitter. I think more and more they are universal search tools.

If you put a hashtag for your name under a link on Twitter, then your name when someone searches will be there and come back
to the link of what ever your image was.

You get recognized by the search engines over time.

Reverse that you can look things up as well.

I just looked up #Bridburg. Earlier today I put up my links of images. No images, just links.
I also added #Bridburg to each link. And so....

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23bridburg&src=typd

That same search on Google #Bridburg

https://www.google.com/#q=%23bridburg


Dave

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

https://www.google.com/#q=%23bridburg

It does not work. Don't know why not.

Dave

 
 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

Sell Art Online
hashtags are similar to keywords and they have a hashtag in the front and it has no spaces, i use them to try to attract certain people. for this i would say #nude #woman #watercolor #BellyDancer #singha

Sell Art Online
#nature #CabinArt #hunter #fishermanArt #BlueArt #serenity (you can go beyond keywords here) don't put too many tags, and i always place them in the back otherwise you get links in the middle and it makes it hard to read. always include your name in a tag.

tags work in google plus and facebook. use the same for all 3.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

Amar Singha

9 Years Ago

WOW............. Great Mike and David !! Really it's a great concept, and also very easy to understand how it work. Thank you Mike and also thanks David for this wonderful concept. I'll start to use it from today.

Amar.

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

but start on this site - new avatar, descriptions on things, more keywords.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

You just mentioned using FB and Google+. Using FAA's behind the scenes disconnected my Twitter and FB and FB fans page so that I can post links
without images. I am going to leave my FB, FB fan page and G+ pages alone. I am
not going to post more to them. I am going with Pinterest (images included for long term buyers) and onTwitter links only.

I am also leaving my Flickr presence as is, adding no more images. Might even tear it down later. Part of why I am Flickr is
for the larger images. The new AW is much better, customers get a better view of the art. I might tear down my
Flickr presence.

Your thoughts? I know we are on topic, but the topic is getting broadened out.

Dave

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

i have it set to automatically update facebook, it does so randomly. i do it because i may not advertise that piece that day, but at least something went there. otherwise i send a tweet and facebook thing each day. i don't do google plus because i was banned for a year, and even though i fixed it- i don't know what i did to cause it. and since it messes me up on youtube, i only have a presence there.

you should always have images posted on facebook. its the opposite of twitter. and you should also mention something of why you sent it. usually funny works better. you want to post to all the media sites - or why else have them?

pinterest is nice to show what you have, but its hard to search on, and not easy to use. the thing found in google will send someone to a page of potentially thousands of other images, and it's lost when that happens. you probably won't attract buyers there. facebook may attract bloggers, pinterest attracts thieves.

flickr - i don't care for and yahoo made it harder to use. generally a presence everywhere is a good idea. the more links you have the better. i wouldn't erase what you have, but you may not want to upload more.

i'm on the fence about the new aw site - i still have to mess with graphics. the pages are still too inconsistent - if i have a color on the first page then the gallery pages should look the same. if the images tile on the front page, it should tile there as well. i lost my ability to have stat counter on that page, and now i have no idea if anyone is even going there. analytics is far too complicated to use, and i don't need any of that information, mostly i have no control over it anyway. i just need to know where they came from (a link), and the search terms used. i can't get that now, making the artist site not that useful for me. i'm starting to advertise from it, my domain is there now. wish i had more format control and the ability to look at the forum and such. logging back and forth is a drag.

its better than it was though, and i think he'll keep tweaking it until polished.

in any case, you want to be on as many places as you can get on. though i still won't bother with invite only social places because of the limited amount of people that will see it. and being exclusive means only few people will look. i have to spend my time wisely, i would rather make new things. in general good work will advertise itself, so i don't have to push as hard.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

I found the FAA automatic uploads to FB random as well. I will rehook up with FAA to FB.

I took down my bio/AW link to Google+. I will not be adding more there. I see people working their
butts off to get a single sale on G+. Artists attract other artists, especially on G+.

I am getting more creative with Twitter and searches.

Tsu is the only one I am advertising. I think it has a shot. One of my family tree members has a very good
following already. I cleaned up my Tsu into links only.

I took my flickr link down off my bio/AW.

I dont have galleries up on my AW, but I have tried to see some of the graphics problems. The gallery labels
are at the center of a series of color choices. The labels are broad for the titles. People are assuming
they can stick to one color through out. The labels are a very rude shock for that one color system. Because
there is type in the labels and the labels are broad it in fact gets ugly. They stick out like sore thumbs. They throw
off all the best laid plans for streamlining the visuals.

I think Sean will add more HTML or HTML5 capacities later. I hope so. You have filled me in on how the stats counter
app matters. Thanks. Do you usually pay for stats counter info or just use the free counter?

I do need to spend more time on my art. The creative process has me going back and forth in blocks of time between
all discussions and no work to hours of work here and there. I need to focus on the work for now. The down times in between
have been very creative. I think about the work and develop the techniques I need. But I can not give my self much credit for
work done during those times.

This first piece is testing me a great deal. After this the next piece will be probably less than a third the amount of time.

I have only perhaps three hours of work left and the piece will be finished.,

Dave

 

Mike Savad

9 Years Ago

the only thing right now that you should be focusing on is upload more work. before pushing heavily you should have 100 pieces up there. for digital lets say 30-50. you need the inventory. otherwise people will come in, see 5 things and leave. probably not come back. if they come in and see you added 10 new things they may come back again.

i made my own category buttons and just chose a color theme that went with it.

i use the free counter. so far i haven't spent any money on advertising - besides a domain name and a webspace. but i don't really count those. i try to keep it as cheap or as free as possible. its not worth paying for stat counter, it shows you a day or so which is enough. and now that all search words are made private and you need to add code or something to make it work - i won't ever pay for that.

in general the best way to learn photoshop is to make something and create a scenario where you need something. you might need to make a beveled piece of glass. or to fill in a texture, to add depth by using shadow and highlight. to change colors a certain way etc. each one should be a challenge. and in turn you learn a new part of it. you create styles, patterns, short cuts you can use for the future. even if the first one takes a week to make, the second one may only take a day. each thing i make i figure out a new thing i can use for the future.

most of my complex creations will take a week, depending if i had a plan to start with. otherwise 3 days is a low point, or things like that alphabet i made took about 3 hours to make. once you get into a rhythm you can move pretty fast.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

 

David Bridburg

9 Years Ago

Mike,

I had to learn to use the Wacom board, I have. I used it once mechanically, but not for painting. I was
terrified of it. Today I started to use it. It is extremely useful. Talk about speeding things up. Accuracy etc....

I have never painted in PS, until now. Granted I am adding shadow, but that is still a major part of painting.

I had made several poor attempts at doing what I needed done with the mouse. I just deleted all those layers of poorer work.

I have my techniques, my brushes, my visual clues. I am ready to finish this first one.

But it is lunch time and I have a dear old friend I want to visit today. I will get back to this later tonight..

I have time into tomorrow if I need it.

Thanks for the feedback on stats counter. BTW it is an Irish company. Need to plug Paddy. (inside joke)

Dave

 

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