Newbie Realizing Faa Shares Full Res Images With General Public!!

Nope. They are 900px images, all low-rez by today's standards. Your hi-rez images are locked away and only used to print when you receive an order.



Dan Turner
Dan Turner's Seven Keys to Selling Art Online

Images do not have a DPI. Only a pixel dimension. How ever you way to slice in pixels per inchon your computer or your printer is irrelevant to anything here.
And you don't have raw files here. You can only have JPEGS or PNG format..

The image shared is the low resolution 900 pixel image shown on your webpages

Unfortunately, the risk is a part of showing your images on the web for as soon as you put images up anywhere they can be stolen. Every time someone goes to a webpage their computer puts all the images in their temp folder for example and most browsers nowadays completely ignore the "no right click" code we do have in place. Besides which, anyone who visits can screenshot the pages.

However, your full images are nowhere on this site, only low resolution copies. Anyone who wishes to steal your images will do so even with watermarks and would not buy them. We have numerous posts about this in the discussions area. put 'watermarks' in the discussion search


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at most you can get a 900px image. what the screen grab shows - might be 300dpi. but they don't have your full size unless you uploaded a 900px image.

---Mike Savad

Surely this is a common topic but is anyone else discussing this, that paints small, tiny artworks? I think that's the culprit, aside from the dpi issue.

Photography files which are much larger in size than my mini art. The issue seems to be the size of the original file. Mine was painted as a 2.5 x 3.5 inches, scanned at 300 dpi.
If FAA shared at 72 dpi (as I've carefully done for over 10 years of selling art online), it wouldn't be a problem, but why in heavens are they sharing at 300 dpi? In my case, that gives my printable file away for free! Does that make sense?

And that's what I meant by "raw", Bradford. ;)

A friend of mine who sells photography here did the test on his images and helped me to understand what's going on.
So, FAA is not good for whomever paints small, is what I am figuring out (?).

Art is different than photography. I never upload anything at 900 pix. I used to do 500 pix, then went up to 720 b/c of Facebook. But NEVER, EVER at 300 dpi, at any size!

Pls do the test and see if your images are displayed as 300 dpi ("save page as"). I'm very curious.

dpi is only a calculation. my advice is to scan your image in at 1200dpi+ so you can sell large images. the small one - people can download, can't stop them. they wouldn't have bought it anyway. the honest ones buy them. it will always save as a 900px image that's just how it is.

---Mike Savad

also be aware that you may be taking it as a screen grab, which may give you different results. since the right click is off and even when it wasn't the save as was removed.

---Mike Savad

Look, any talented hacker can steal your full resolution images no matter where FAA "hides" them.
Your personal computer can also be hacked into and all your images stolen.

How do you know FAA is not selling your full res images to some other site, person, etc?
Because they tell you they never would do it?

Welcome to the Internet. It is a wide open area with very little rules and very little you can do about it.

Don't want your images stolen? Don't put them on the internet....

Note.
In less than two years, my images have generated some 50,000 views...I've sold one print not to a family member. Should I be a tad suspicious? 50,000 views and only one image sold? You tell me...

Cris the original is not displayed. It is reduced to 900 pixels and that is what is displayed. You might want to try scanning at 600 DPI or more and have bigger files. But no matter how you set the DPI after a scan the pixel size displayed here is going to be 900 across. That can make a 9 inch print if it were printed a 100 DPI. Or a 3 inch 300 DPI print if it was set up to print that way. Changing DPI is not the issue. We all show a 900 pixel image and if we want it gets the FAA watemark. No one should think that that 900 pixels is protected. You show what you have to in order to make a sale and accept the fact that it is not secure or you just don't sell. We are all in the same situation.

Gee, people seem especially fatalistic today.

Cris, think of your low-rez images as free samples. They'll get passed around, pinned, shared and admired. It's a good thing. Some will lead people to a purchase, most will be scattered throughout the net. You make money when people buy a large print or purchase your original art, which isn't available with a low-rez image. Let 'em go and hope they go viral.

Welcome to FAA.


Dan Turner
Dan Turner's Seven Keys to Selling Art Online

Yes Robert and I generate half those views and have 80x the sales in the same two years. Results may vary. Lets not get paranoid here. Sales are made all day 25/7.

rob no one is taking your images. the site isn't selling the images without you knowing it. if your work isn't selling then it's either how you advertise or your work itself. but that doesn't matter since your not here to sell anything as you've mentioned in the past.

in any case, images can be taken, only 900px. a hacker wants your card number, not your image. if you don't want them to have it, you can't have it online anywhere. it's the risk you have to take. and if someone bought your image they scan it themselves and have an even larger image if they wanted it.

---Mike Savad

"How do you know FAA is not selling your full res images to some other site, person, etc?
Because they tell you they never would do it? '

Really Robert? Now you implying that FAA is selling your images out the back door and no paying you?

Why on earth would you not take all your images down if you really believe that?

A screen grab gives me a 72 dpi image
Gotta do the "save page" through browser, then open in photoshop to see size.

I can't stand people who think I don't know what they are already saying. I said I've been online selling for 10+ years, you don't think I know how to protect my images, Robert? Really? You said nothing I don't already know. And you are wrong, first off, b/c you are not even familiar with how artists feels (as opposed to photographers) and what specific things we have to do to protect stuff we created in its fullness. No, I'm not going to be ultra paranoid that somebody is going to steal my shit via a computer hack. You've gone too far, I'm not that drastic but I won't be a slack either, just because "it can be done". Nope, if I never share 300 dpi anywhere on the web, it won't be stolen.

I'm still reading all comments here...obviously there's something about image ration that's getting lost in translation here.
I have always known that the minimum requirement to print something is to have a 300 dpi scan of it. That's what I saw on Photoshop upon opening my image, as sourced by FAA using "save page". So...

Sheesh, Robert, are you saying that you sold one print in 2 years? and gained 50K views? Then you are here for views? I'm not. So thanks for the pointer, maybe this site is not for me after all. I do better on my own, if those are common results. ;)

Every time I come on the forum and see you posting recently, Robert, you are accusing faa or Sean of this and that. I strongly suggest you take some time away from the forum to concentrate on your photography.

Cris, people do very well here. Some people make a lot of money. Some people make little to nothing. It depends on many factors.

As for stealing images, that has been explained further up

We print from 100dpi up

"And you are wrong, first off, b/c you are not even familiar with how artists feels (as opposed to photographers)"

So you are saying photographers aren't artists?

cris don't use rob's example of things not selling. plenty make sales here. he's already erased all his images once already, and he's mentioned he's not in it for the money, he's here because it's a club to him.

yes the images are large here, and yes many do complain about it. if all your images started small, well, oh well. if you scan it larger and have a large image to sell it will be less tempting. if you only sell one small size, then the tempt will be stronger.

i can tell you that i make more sales here than other sites. and i think it's because the sample is larger. and people can see things up close. all this helps.

---Mike Savad

Please let's not go the photographers v artist route.

A dpi scan is only as big as the inches you are scanning. But yes if you are scanning only 3 inches at 300 DPI then that is 3 x 300 which is 900. Most would scan at 600 DPI or more and make a larger print. The actual number of pixels needed to print here is 100 so you could make a 9 inch print from a 3 inch scanned at 300 DPi. If you scanned at 600 DPI it would make an 18 inch print. And scanned at 1200 DPI a 36 inch print as long as the quality held up (and people do it.)
In all cases a 900 pixels is what is displayed here.

You are coming in with some misconceptions about the site and we are trying to help. But if you feel 900 pixels is too much to display then you may have few alternatives left.
Keep in mind DPI is not a file property. It is just a side file that shows how big you could print. An image has pixel dimensions but no linear dimensions until you display it. So the DPi is determined by the display medium and the image size not the image.
http://www.rideau-info.com/photos/mythdpi.html

Let me see if I get this:

This is addressed at anyone who really knows what I'm asking here:

If your original is 2.5 x 3.5 inches, scanned at 300 dpi, uploaded to FAA, then shared by FAA as 300 dpi at 900 pixels.. it is still a pretty darn good file to use to print, correct? is this something I can use photoshop to check, even though I don't have a printer to test it out?
Pls be kind, understanding math and file size is not easy for me. :)
I'll let the issue rest, if I am being too thick. I am really trying. lol thanks

ops, reading Bradford's last, we crossed while posting.

yes at that size you can print a nice file. if you scanned at 1200-2400 you would have a huge image to sell making the smaller size less tempting plus you would get a larger profit and a better chance to sell as the large ones are usually the sellers.

the people that steal would have never bought.


---Mike Savad

Bradford, I obviously don't know all I need to know about this topic. The math around it makes me want to run the other way. I just want to paint (how many times have you heard that? hehe). Thanks for your reply, I think that tells me what's going on. I will read, reread and try to get it.
Really don't understand why such visually large images shared with the public... Wish I had the option to choose smaller display, is all.
Thanks, everyone! I think I can do well here if I just get this worry off my head somehow. :o

There, Mike...you answered my very question! Thank you. I'm going to do some strategic thinking now. :) Thanks, everyone!

I cleaned up my message a bit and you can also private message me if you have more questions. I am on the site every day. There are other people scanning small images here so you can try and see how they are doing.

dpi confuses the heck out of me. on this site they will print at 100px is about an inch or so. so 1000px is a 10" print. dpi is far too confusing to follow. when i scan things in like a small image i scan it the highest amount. i have abstract paintings, painted on masonite 3x4" total, scanned at i think 2400dpi, i can print it at 72" without a problem. i try to encourage many that need to bulk up their folders to make small things on paper and scan them huge. as long as you don't have an original, or the buyer of the original knows its a mini, it won't be confusing. i don't sell the originals.


this image is very small in real life. painted with nail polish, the glitter doesn't scale well in this, but otherwise its workable. technically i had to shrink this


---Mike Savad

oh make sure your scanner goes up to a high dpi and its not interpolating it. i use a photo scanner myself.

---Mike Savad

Thanks, Bradford!! I appreciate that.

I did another Photoshop test pasting the file in a letter size background, as if printed on paper, then zoomed in. Now I see what you are are telling me...even though it's 300 dpi, if enlarged beyond 2 x 3 inches it will start pixelizing. If used as is, it's an ok print but comes out too small in size. I visually get it now. :D

Many thanks to all!

lol @ Mike...interpolating? now you are going too deep. :D

I'm glad I'm not the only one confused by this topic..I have such resistance to brain scramblers like that! It's time to try to get ahead of this curve now. ugh

interpolating is when its stretched. in photoshop you don't want to stretch it to increase the size. but scanners show off their highest amount by lying. 9600dpi! interpolated. its enlarges the thing and the results are really blurry images. if it's blurry it won't print here. if your scanner is 1200 optical, go for that.

---Mike Savad

It not always a direct 100 pixels per inch of print here. In some cases it is less. I don't know why. Of course if it has more it will use them. That's pretty amazing Mike that you can go up to 6 feet wide and it looks sharp.

Mike, making prints will be my technique to stop selling originals for low prices, which I have.

Years ago I used to scan my small things at 300 and 600 dpi and save as TIFF. A tech friend said I was doing overkill. It must have been b/c now I have folders that refuse to open for me with my scans on them!! (is there a way to open them w/o having them crash?)

He said I only needed 300 dpi and to save as jpg. So I began doing that. Sometimes I'd scan at 600 too, still saving as jpg.
And then I'd sell my original! with the hopes that someday i could make prints...and that day is now. :)

scanning is neat, and it's not limited to paintings and flat things. i got it for scanography.





as long as they don't move you can do neat stuff with it. the buttons - were 4 times this size. i had to reduce the size to what it is now because it took too long to get the dirt off. each button filled the screen. it was like 30,000px across or something like that. 125 mega pixels i think i had it calculated at. it becomes a microscope, as long as the thing you scan is rather flat or limp.

---Mike Savad

Todays computers allow us to work with much bigger files then years past. You should be able to open things that would not open years ago. How big you can go depends on the quality of the original image also. For example canvas texture looks weird if enlarge to much. Good you scanned at 600 on some in the past..

300dpi in a scanner is 1:1 or a 100%. so 600dpi is twice the size etc. its a good idea to scan it large anyway. jpg's are fine if it's saved to the best quality. if you don't have the original, your stuck. oh well. newer machines can handle the larger sizes. as long as its saved you can always go back to it when the machine can handle it.

---Mike Savad