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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Paintings Redux

In the past year, I've had several clients commission me to repaint a painting in a larger size. On each occasion, I did my best to duplicate the requests. What I found fascinating was the joy of tweaking spots that I now see needed improvement, whether it was a color adjustment or design change. In the most recent redux, completed today, I loved being able to control the lines that were once mere drips across the canvas...this time around, they were measured and painted lines.
I bring this topic up because I often read that people go back and rework the SAME canvas...how many of you have repainted on a new canvas? what was your experience?
I wasn't nearly as bored as I anticipated....
Here's the first one...
Misheberach healing prayer, marlene burns

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To this..........I prefer this, and so do many kind admirers...........

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From WiseGEEK - What does redux mean in Art...............

The word redux comes from the Latin term reducere, which means bring back. This word is always used postpositively, coming after the noun it modifies, as in Rabbit Redux. In English, the term signifies that the noun it modifies has been revived, brought back, restored, or otherwise revisited. It is often implied that a work which is being revived has also been somehow changed, made more relevant, or given increased importance. This is often the case when artistic works are titled using the term.

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Thanks for adding the definition, Vivian....and BTW, it is pronounced re-ducks.
I like your new canvas much better, Vivian! The added color certainly brought it to life...and what a close copy you produced! Kudos!

 

Gene Gregory

9 Years Ago

You dun good Burns.

There is one painting I did about 4 times because people liked it, and when the first sold, I did another and another. I don't have pictures.

A few others I have painted very similar.....

I am finally starting on something new today. I have not painted in a few months. At least I prepared my canvas, ( 24 x 20 ) and did a set up and took photos of what I am going to paint. So, I hope I continue with it.

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Thanks Gene, i'm very interested in knowing how or if you changed any of those paintings done after the original...and if so how and why....do tell!

 

Janine Riley

9 Years Ago

Very powerful piece Marlene.

Lol. I try - but Watercolor has a mind of its own.
The first image was painted as a birthday gift - but I wanted one for myself to scan for a larger size. It was easy, & I was happy as I was working from his personal images.

The Second one...... I did try to remake the painting. But at this time - I was in mourning & contemplating the cycles of life.
Same exact spot - just a completely different mood. I fought it at first , but then just allowed it to take over.
Can you see the similarities ? Yeah, no huh.
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It's amazing how inspiring one thread leads to another. I love Andee's Art for Children and have something I think applies, but, my point is, I then took it further, in my imagination that is, and from that one, am seriously considering a work more related to children's level art..........from my Pebbles painting..........and, when I get going again, will share here.
The possibilities are endless from one's own art into reinvention , into totally new art....from the original inspiration. I think it's exciting......and almost failsafe, when the original art leads to new inventions on the theme, and is 'good' to start with, of course.

Watch this space, lol.

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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Janine,
thank you for posting and mentioning why the second one changed....I most definiteIy see the similarities and by letting them happen, you stayed authentic, though the intention was probably masked during the process.
I had a similar experience...also in mourning and this image is used as a healing for mind as well as bod....very appropo for the
grieving period. In the original, red isn't a major color...in this whole series, red represents G-d...when I repainted this week, the red kept creeping into my violets...there's a lot more in the redux than in the riginal...and that is no coincidence, but a revelation.

Vivian, yes, it is very exciting....and that is exactly how an artist grows, by allowing the natural morphing to have its way! I lost a great gallery affiliation because my work was at a major morphing moment...I was dropping the object from my abstracts....the gallery owner warned me that I had collectors and had to keep churning out the same stuff.....I just couldn't.

 

Lutz Baar

9 Years Ago

In my world a copy of a painting painted by the same artist is called replica.

 

Replica/copy, dear Lutz, is the same, yes, almost.
Redux is different.....more like a revised , new, inspiration.....celebrating change, insight, imH.o.
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Liz Snyder

9 Years Ago

I first painted a rose for my mother . I thought it came out well (she loves it) but decided to have another go at it. The 2nd one was light years beyond the first. I did several more for family members. It was interesting to try different techniques, make improvements, and try new ideas out on subsequent paintings.

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Lutz, there is a fine point here that is becoming uncovered....no one who has posted, painted a mere replica.....the redux opens one up to a world of subtle differences ....I'm asking people to examine those subtleties.
Liz, thank you for explaining your experiences. ;)

 

MM Anderson

9 Years Ago

I used the same photo as reference for these pastel landscapes. I wanted to do a bit larger version of the first one for an art show I was going to enter. I didn't try to copy the first but did a whole new interpretation of the subject. I don't do this very often but I've done it a few times in the past.
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Regina Valluzzi

9 Years Ago

I sometimes paint second pieces inspired by earlier works, but I won't attempt do anything even close to a copy. So "redux" is perhaps a good way to describe them. Some people would group the above examples as Series of works, each exploring different variations on the original subject or composition.


For example, the recent piece on the left is in the same vein as the slightly older piece on the right
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And Lutz - I have seen local artists painting very close replicas and calling them "original" because each is hand made and has tiny differences. I don't think the practice is helping them gain a following.

 

Menega Sabidussi

9 Years Ago

just popping in to say: fascinating thread!

 

Tom Druin

9 Years Ago

gorgeous image ...marlene. instant fav.

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Linda and Regina, thank you for your posts and explanations. ;)
Menega, it may be fascinating, but not an easy one....I don't anticipate a huge response...less will probably be more!
Thanks, Tom!
I'm still playing with it this morning...tweaking subconsciously gave me some insight consciously!

BTW, Regina...there was a guy in Santa Fe who only showed his work in his own gallery, then took me on as his first outside artist. He had a HUGE following for a short period of time, maybe 5 years..he painted the same thing over and over...lined them up and literally put the same yellow splotch on each as he walked down the row! He had customers lined up as well;. Go figgur
I sure hope he saved his fortune...lol.

 

Regina Valluzzi

9 Years Ago

Go Figure indeed! We have a few people who struggle through open studios with replicas of their own paintings (usually not very interesting to begin with). They are often caught flat footed hemming and hawing about why the copies are still "original". Bostonians are kind of a tough crowd. Even the crafters get put on the spot about "original" coffee mugs based on the same design. I think our audience would have eaten your yellow splotch guy alive.

Nothing wrong with handmade editions, just call them that.

 

Regina Valluzzi

9 Years Ago

Another example: rain (earlier), Soft Rain (right after rain)
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Donna Proctor

9 Years Ago

If I'm following your OP correctly, these should fit ...

Someone saw "Fish Love" painted in acrylics and commissioned me to do one for her daughter's bedroom, so I had to make obvious changes since the original is more for a boy -

Before & After:
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I didn't find it boring even though the composition is the same... I painted the new one with oil, the colors and designs on the fish different enough to make it new for me.

--Donna Proctor

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Bingo, Donna!! Thanks!

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Regina, I think in studio, those replicating don't have it inside of them to create something new and different...perhaps someone told them it was good, so they stayed with the same thing to get more good reports.
I still am puzzled about the yellow splotch guy...don't know what happened to him...at the time Santa Fe was the third largest art market in the world....that said, money doesn't mean intelligence, discerning eyes, good taste, etc....lol....BUT it DOES mean, one has the power to buy. AND, ohman, did they buy!!
Love the last two images you posted....

For those struggling to understand redux....have you ever picked up a book you read years ago? or rewatched a movie?? If you have, your life experience since the first time, as well as your mood is far different and it has to impact how you reacted and integrated it.

 

Donna Proctor

9 Years Ago

Thanks Murlene ;)

Here's another... same painting. The first one is acrylic done in 2007 and the 2nd is oil done in 2011. The 2nd one needed to match the drapes.. lol - just kidding. But, I did have to incorporate a few colors from the room where it would hang... which I did on the background. I much prefer the "after" painting over the "before":

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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

oh, yes! This is exactly what I was hoping for, Donna!
Don't laugh about matching furniture and accessories....my fastest sale ever was in Beverly Hills....I was doing a show and had the primo spot..corner booth right off of Rodeo Drive.....a woman, laden with fancy packages, walked right through my booth, looked at ONE painting,took out her checkbook and wrote a check as soon as I spit out the price when she asked. The total time was under a minute....when i asked her how it was that she didn't even look at anything else, she told me it matched her sofa!

 

Donna Proctor

9 Years Ago

Hahaaa good story!
It wasn't the drapes but it needed to match the accessories and a wall color in the room... trust me, I was grateful!

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

psssst, Donnna, there's an elephant in the thread...neither one of us has asked if the drapes match the carpet yet.
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Shana Rowe Jackson

9 Years Ago

I have done it with really old paintings. I actually have a series that I call the "Revival" series where I take artwork I did as a kid and re-do it as an adult, it started as an experiment to see how much I have grown artistically over the years. Here is an example. I painted the original when I was 13.
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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

What a great share, Shana...and wonderful idea!
I have nothing left from childhood and only 2 things from college...a sketchbook of pages upon pages of Gray's Anatomy copied for anatomical drawing classes freshman year and one watercolor...the last of a series that I sold for $5 a piece so I could eat..a week's wort, back in the day!

 

Steve Hester

9 Years Ago

I lost most of my art in an house fire 10+ years ago. I tried to salvage some of them digitally and repainted some of them.
This one I finished a couple months before the fire.

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It took me several years to repaint it.

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This is another ReDux

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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Steve,
thanks for your contributions! House fires.....horrified at the thought!
SO happy you could recreate them digitally...we live in a wonderful age!

 

Morgan Ralston

9 Years Ago

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Shana Rowe Jackson

9 Years Ago

@Marlene, Thank you! I have kept a ton of my stuff from childhood. I started scrap-booking my work by the age of eight, I always knew I wanted to be an artist and that I would want to have those works to look back on someday. I am grateful that I had that insight at such a young age (lord knows no one else would have done it for me).

Here's another example. I did the original when I was 12 using colored pencil and crayon. The re-do is watercolor, ink and colored pencil.
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Shana Rowe Jackson

9 Years Ago

Here's a closer look (didn't realize how small the image in my previous post would show up)
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This is a side-by-side illustration showing two paintings of the same subject, the one on the right having been created six years after the first version was stolen from a private collector's home in Miami, Florida. (The second version is available as a print and can be found in my Planet Zootopia: Aquaria gallery.)

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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Morgan and Shana, thank you!
Patrick..special thanks for posting your original and redux....welcome back!

 

This image illustrates a side-by-side comparison between two versions from the exact same painting: The painting on the right is a remarque on a giclee of the original that was printed on canvas. The second incarnation of Aquaria Rising (on the right) will be used as an illustration in my upcoming & soon-to-be-announced Kickstarter Project. (The second version is available as a print and can be found in my Planet Zootopia: Aquaria gallery.)

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This side-by-side comparison of two slightly different incarnations of the same painting (same canvas) illustrates how second-guessing yourself can sometimes be a good bet; after I painted my own face - with startled expression - behind the mask and reconfigured the Cephalarvum's orbicles (top of my head) the painting sold right away. (The second version is available as a print and can be found in my Planet Zootopia: Aquaria gallery.)

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Thanks, Marlene...it's good to be back!

 

Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Keep them coming, Patrick. You are the master!

 

These show how nicely images can fulfil different moods.....bright/sunny firstly.....gentle nostalgia in Sepia....

************** Am informed that these are not changes of the painting to another painting/canvas - same painted image redux.
I will retire from this thread on that note.***************

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Michelle Calkins

9 Years Ago

This is a painting I've been asked to paint a few times..each time it came out a bit different made specifically for the client's requests.

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Here are three unique versions of the same painting, yet each one was hand-painted by me, rather than having been digitally manipulated.

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Finally, this set of images shows four different incarnations of the same original painting:

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Marlene Burns

9 Years Ago

Patrick, I am in awe..I thought 2 was plenty! Please share your thoghts when you begin yet again.....Thanks also for the reminder that this thread is about the painted canvas.
Michelle....they have certainly changed yet have the same feel!

 

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