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Marcio Faustino

9 Years Ago

You Don't Make Any More Art But Just The Idea Of It, By Turning Things Useless.

Marshall McLuhan: "We have now become aware of the possibility of arranging the entire human environment as a work of art."

In a ready made art world how can one transform a object in a work of art? The solution found was to transform the art work in an object. No more illusion or transcendence but pure concept.

In an aestheticised world the object is no longer there but just the idea of it. In other worlds, it becomes meaning less or empt. This also mean that we don't have any more pleasure in art, only in the idea of it. Art for art sake is only a sign of absence in a materialist world where everything becomes a commodity. What may be the solution for art in a aesthetised world of emptness and no meaning is to embrace the banality.

Jean Baudrillard: "Ever since the 19th century, art has wanted to be useless. It turned this uselessness in to a reason for prise (which is not true of classical art where, in a world that was not yet real or objective, the usefulness was not even considered)."

By this principle, in order to make any object a work of art all we have to do is to turn it useless, like Duchamp's did with the signed urinal.

http://www.marciofaustino.com/news/you-dont-make-any-more-art-but-just-the-idea-of-it-by-turning-things-useless

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Roy Erickson

9 Years Ago

making it useless doesn't make it art - Duchamp's "signed" urinal - is NOT a work of art - there's one at the Hardee's that has more patina and an out of order sign on it, and it's signed "American Standard" - it's not a work of art either - and it's useless.

 

Mario Carta

9 Years Ago

I agree Roy, "making it useless doesn't make it art - Duchamp's "signed" urinal - is NOT a work of art" but this close relative of the urinal is a work of art.

http://www.artbreak.com/work/show/306276-percrapps-mans-greatest-invention-mario

 

Marcio Faustino

9 Years Ago

I think we miss the point of the title if not consider the text itself which starts: "In a ready made art world how can one transform a object in a work of art? The solution found was to transform the art work in an object. No more illusion or transcendence but pure concept."

 

Anthony Wilkening

9 Years Ago

I find this topic very intriguing and out of the box so to say and hard to grasp, kind of like hitting the jack pot, or inventing something simple that everyone will use and buy, thus making millions and living the american dream we have all been subconsciously programed to want, not many get lucky like that. People i think are looking more and more for art that speaks to them personally,just my opinion. Whats the relationship of the artist to a world that aesthetically has become mundane to those who have all the money and material things they could ever need? what do you buy the man who has everything? I would say emotions!?! Those without money which are most artists and pretty much the majority of people seek emotional needs and closure to make it though the difficulties of life. Its the need for emotion and feelings along with gratification that we all have or want to express. living in a generation that is obsessed on acceptance and fear of not being accepted. Through art, the personal struggle of financial insecurity make us more like everyone else and strong, and as artists we may be able to convey our unique story to people that have had similar experiences to help people open their minds to human emotion and human connection. An artists vision is only a thought of inspiration or a personal experience until someone else see's or feels the interpretation and begins to understand or question something they knew nothing about. :), and that is why i love art so much it makes us analyze our thoughts and emotions and connect with other peoples ideas and hopefully become more excepting and enlightened. Here is something i wouldnt consider art but someone else does and i get it, isnt that what art is about, speaking out and expressing ones self, looking outside the box and conveying our thoughts whether they are understood or not? i should start a blog lol

http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tracey-emins-my-bed-sells-for-45-million-at-auction/story-e6frfmci-1226974752819

 

Marcio Faustino

9 Years Ago

Emotion...

Anthony, I believe you are right, but what you call emotion I prefer to call "experiences". Now a days people don't look to consume object for it real functionality but for the experience it gives, experience of being connected, of being seeing, of being part of a culture, of emotion, of sex, etc.

This is why installation become the vogue on our art world culture, because it offer experiences, and to offer a better experience it become multimedia, photograph with oudio, objects with movements, etc. We could even say that the visual effects photographers and digital painters have being going towards is to offer a stronger experience on visualising it. So the art, as any other commodity, becomes the obtaition of experiences if offers, by it's concept, rather the object itself. (Generally speaking).

 

Viktor Savchenko

9 Years Ago

quote"In a ready made art world how can one transform a object in a work of art?
Here is my attempt to make dimensional art.
Art Prints
An illusion of real stuff, enjoyment of emptiness, pleasure to be in virtual world.
Thanks ,Marcio, for this tread

 

Anthony Wilkening

9 Years Ago

Thats what i was trying to say Marcio " as artists we may be able to convey our unique story to people that have had similar experiences to help people open their minds to human emotion and human connection". Im glad there are people like you who have an open mind and think outside the box like me!

 

Roger Swezey

9 Years Ago

This befuddled old mind is a bit confused as to the gist of this thread.

The Object of Art?

or

Art as an Object?

First, as we are getting deeper and deeper into a virtual existence, there will finally be only Concept

Be that as it may,.Society has always forced Art, be it an image on a wall, rhetoric, dance, or what have you, to be useful,: To make it Rain,.. To worship a God,.. To go to War,....or.To buy a Coke.

It's the very few artists, that cause us to ponder , to wonder about an enigmatic smile, whether it's a pipe or not, the importance, power, and beauty of paint and only paint,.....and other.stuff like that

 

HW Kateley

9 Years Ago



@Roy. I donno. that sounds like a find. I think you need to photograph that puppy, give it some hdr and post it up! :)

 

Marcio Faustino

9 Years Ago

What I mean by object is that art it self is not appreciated any more but just the idea of it. People look at the canvas and says "this is art and I like art", and they look at the mechanical production of it, but barely look at it content, which often is empt. Art loose its fetch and mystery and become just an object as any other, adding a dull concept in order to call it art. Exactly what happen in this scene from the film Blow Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkQ1H8gLExQ


There is an other text I just wrote called: What to do after the orgy? It explain better about our culture of indifference towards art:

With modern art we have experienced the freedom, and therefore the excess, in art and today we want to keep up the party that has already ended, by playing the same songs, have the same talk and trying keep dancing pretending this is not the end.

Art, or our contemporary world, has explored all aspects of life and its materialistic culture. With monetary access and technology art have being free, and we see a world full of creative and no creative people producing with no limits. Like TV with more then 100 channels offering the most variates option of broadcasting, the internet where we can read and watch all kind of news and information, we become after a while indifferent. Everything, after the full exposition and exploration loose their mystery and consequently their sensuality to become no more than fetch. Meaning we become more interested on the idea of being informed than the information itself, on the idea of have access than the access itself, on the idea of products, sex and art than products, sex and art themselves. We live in a fetched world.

Now what? What to do after the orgy? How to face the emptiness feeling after the limitless enjoyment?
It looks like nobody knows, so they keep with the empt and useless talk since they have no more to talk about, the dull replayed music because there is nothing else to play, the same tired and indifferent dance, pretending the party is still on but it doesn't matter how hard we pretend, after the orgy all that is left is the empt dull after result.

Even the after party talk, fun and memories of the good, bad and silly moments has become nostalgic. We have so long make fun of the nostalgic orgy, of its pretending, that it is not funny any more.

We have lost all the mystery and seduction illusion world we once had to rely and believe only on this that Baudrillard calls the final illusion of reality or hyper-reality. The indifferent people, culture and mind we become that bring us back to the "inhuman rituals and phantasmagoria of the cultures preceding our own".


http://www.marciofaustino.com/news/what-to-do-after-the-orgy

 

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