To Delete Or Change

Yes, I think it does work, to 'refresh' a good image. I do know also that rewriting the keywords helps in search....

edit.....not that more sales ensue, more's the pity.

One of mine did sell immediately after being refreshed though...Vessels b/w......

I actually did this last week and it worked for me. Might have been a coincidence, but I doubt it...
I also found an easier way to check keywording on each image without having to click on each and every image to do so and have posted it in a blog on my website if anyone wants to know how to do that...I figured it out by accident, but it certainly saves a lot of time...

http://fineartamerica.com/blogs/reviewing-keywords-the-easy-way-on-faa.html

I would say it depends......

Say I redid one of my best sellers that places on page one of the Washington DC search. The images may well be bookmarked outside FAA as well.

Now, if I redid one and simply uploaded a new image everything would remain the same. BUT, if I took it down and uploaded fresh I would in fact lose a lot of ground. I have three images that place on that first page of a 10K plus search. I have another ten that place in the first six pages. I have 168 images with a Washington DC tag. That means very few of the images I have rank all that high internally, and might I add that the internal rank also translates to a large extent to outside searches as well for the same reasons.

So, would I redo and repost anew an image that has been selling and selling well? Not a chance..... Now, would it matter as much with some of the images that have never sold? Probably not.

Be VERY careful doing this as YMMV and it may vary by a LOT!

As you upload new stuff, old forgotten images tend to fall back into the rear pages.

Besides search results, I'm wondering if bringing them back up front has much of an effect. For that matter, does mixing up the images on the front page have much of an effect?

it depends on the image and how often you advertise, people don't see the old ones. it's always best to stir the pot so the carrots don't burn and it's the same here. even without revising, just entering it into new groups helps a lot. never erase unless it's very terrible or unprintable. and even if it's not printable, it can be fixed. for every new thing i make i try to fix 2-3 old things that haven't sold. revise their colors, clean them up, do new keywords etc. get people looking at them again.


---Mike Savad

Dan, I've noticed an immediate response after I move images on and off first page, FYI. Often visitors/members only look at page 1 .. So it helps to bring new /old work forward, yes.

Vivian, thanks.

First, I wish FAA would share buyer behavior info with us. I'm wondering how many buyers search for a subject and stay on the search results pages, and how many buyers might see an image on the search page and think "I like this person's work" and click off the search results page to view the artist's gallery.

Second, I trust what you say but wonder how much deception there is in moving images. In other words, when an image is moved from page 9 to page 1, does it get more views because it was moved, or simply because it is now on page 1?

I'm wondering what other people do: move an image or two or three around once in a while, or completely redo the front page every week, month, ...

Karen -- YES!!!

EDIT: It's part of the creative process to update keywords and, when an image has not moved, to update the title. After you look at it for a while, and see it's response, it's best to change it up. I've event at times tweaked my artwork and reloaded it.

I do the same with my portfolio. I put it together then "throw it in the drawer" for a few days. When I look at it again I see ( better ) things I didn't see the first time.

.... again, its part of the creative process.

Good day, all! :-)

By watching my FAA numbers, I've noticed that any type of activity of my images -- moving them around within the gallery (not just to Page 1), editing keywords, adding to groups, etc. -- triggers an almost-immediate flurry of 'bot activity. Not only does that specific image receive multiple hits, but several other images in my FAA galleries do, too.

Perhaps it's all that sudden 'bot-crawling and indexing which causes the temporary increase in visibility?

I perform 'housekeeping' in my FAA galleries a few times per month, for that reason (also to keep my galleries looking new and varied).

Unfortunately, so far, that routine surge of 'bot activity has not triggered a corresponding surge in sales. But, I still consider it a good practice to 'freshen up' my images and galleries from time to time.

Happy Earth Day and Spring everyone.


Hello Karen, yes, ever since the new launch of commerical licensing, I have been slowly going through my photos and updating, and after checking my photos are appearing on the first page of keyword searches. As far as the title I do know that might not be a good idea, once the title is changed the image is then gone. By re-writing your keywords it does work, and if you are anyone has had that particular photo featured in a group, by changing keywords you still keep the status of that photo being featured in any group any of us may be members of.

I have on many occasions gone over the photos regardless of what the image is look at all the other photos on the first couple of pages check and see was that photo featured in a group or was it a generated keyword string.,,,in many many photos I have come across those photos were never featured anywhere.

A very important point to make here its not how many photos you have or even if you have a gallery's. Has anyone taken note, once of fellow photographers Eric, whose photo is now feature when you sign on to Fine Art America, that image was sold yesterday. I wanted to take a look at his gallery,,,,Eric has been a member since 2012 he only has only the photos on his bio page, no gallery's.

So, keywords, self promotion, are the biggest success factors. It has been brought to Sean attention elsewhere in a discussion forum I believe another member had asked where those photos used for new Fine Art America promotion remain or will they be rotated......

I can tell everyone if they do not already know this but as Abbie confirmed if you change prices on the new commercial licensing it does take 24 hours to update..why I can not answer that.


There is so many new features which are being presented to us, by re-wording an older photo can only mean success....


Another point, I have asked many times was on the first page of a keyword search there is your photo, then comes someone else and they sponsor themselves by placing the link elsewhere as there own webpage, well now your photos are bumped out of sight, so do you back in and bump that individual out,,,,,sorta odd......I personally feel if you do not find your photo on the first three pages you might want to check your keywords....a buyer is not going to spend hours on end flipping through endless pages of photos, they may at random go to the last page see what is there, ship over and search a few in the middle of say 25 pages or more of photos.....

Thanks for posting.
Michael Hoard

I took about 30 out of 750 of my older images (3 years ) and redid the keywords and updated in the groups, etc about 5 days ago. My last two sales were 2 out of the 30 and that is more than a coincidence for me....I will continue "refreshing" my older images in order to make new sales...I do believe it reintroduces the images to the bots and puts them out there again in their search engines. I agree with Frank 100%!

Wow, now that is impressive, ,,,

,I have a question when you say you updated in the groups are you referring to posting in new groups or deleting from a group you where already in and then repost back into that original group

Wendy - I'm glad you jumped in here. Since you mentioned in a previous thread how you move things around I've done that and have seen what you said happens.

Great stuff here, and a great use of these threads, helping each other make it through life.

Karen - I don't believe in coincidence. I do believe in preparation is the key to opportunity. I've seen over the years artists with amazing art to become not so successful. Other artists with sub par work become really successful. I've concluded it was all about how the marketing gets done and being prepared for opportunity.

Those of you who regularly change up your presentation, do you ever do "themes" on page 1?

For example, all flowers one week, water scenes another, mountains another, etc.?

OK, so I have my art in Galleries - I changed the "logo" page on each one. When you click on a gallery, it's just one long page of pictures. I have my galleries in more or less alphabetical order. hmmm. So, yes, I have moved some of the art around in the galleries.

But I also notice that I like my later things better and am reluctant to always move things around. I guess I need to get over that!

Rebecca

Hi, @Rebecca,

Then how about going to the back of your galleries and checking things back there? Or edit your newer work to add keywords or submit to other groups?

There are endless 'chores' that need doing in my galleries, every day!


@Dan, I don't usually do full-page themes, but I cluster related subjects together -- a buyer looking for 'bridges' might be interested in seeing all the different bridges in one place.


Thanks, @Frank! As a teenager, I worked in a very upscale gift-wares section of a department store. There, we spent a LOT of time 'shifting merchandise to the front', to catch the eye of repeat visitors. There, I handled -- and sold -- a ton of crazy-expensive, luxury merchandise, so something was working! :-)

Another thing I'm reminding myself to do at FAA, is to submit my earlier images to groups.

When I joined here, groups either didn't exist, or there were very few of them. I'm always surprised when I come across a piece, which may even have sold here, and it belongs to only one group -- or none at all!

I do one or two of those per week, to get those images in front of fresh eyes, then tweet, fb, etc. them, as well.

Wendy, yes, I've been working on keywords. Perhaps I should open new gallery "Not my Favorite Works" J/K

I do tweet all of my images, and I think moving things around really is a good idea. And I think adding things to new group is an EXCELLENT idea!

Love all the suggestions!

Rebecca

Wouldn't deleting an image entirely and re-adding it drop your search ranking? I thought FAA considers things like how many times an image has been sold, commented on, and Liked in its search ranking. If you delete it you lose all that history.