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Annie Zeno

6 Months Ago

Can Faa Put Smaller Images Out On Google

I am having tons of my artwork taken from images FAA is putting up on google and other web searche browsers. 900 675 is too big, the work is being taken, my name removed, and even the name of the images are changed PLUS the link that leads to my FAA site is changed. Any other images from other sites are not being taken because they are too small. Can FAA change the image size they put on web searches to help in stopping my work be taken and used.

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Jeffery Johnson

6 Months Ago

Doubt that will ever happen and it is Google that is indexing FAA. About the only way to do that would be to use another POD site besides FAA. It is a shame but for folks that are attempting the internet to sale their works it is a chance we all take.

 

Dean Harte

6 Months Ago

It needs to be big so people can see what they are buying.

 

Annie Zeno

6 Months Ago

They can always click on the image and see the big view on FAA and on FAA they can't download or copy the work. On google there is no protection.

 

Most people now have higher res monitors, or even use their TV's to view sites. Smaller images just do not do it in the same way these larger ones do. The larger images sell better so I do not see them changing this soon

 

Jeffery Johnson

6 Months Ago

What about the ones that are on Pinterest? You can also download an even larger one of the one you are using for your banner on Google+.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

anyone can download anything from any place. they don't have to go to google, they can it right here. if they took it, they weren't going to buy it anyway. if you see it on a site tell them to take it down, or get a link back.


---Mike Savad

 

Annie Zeno

6 Months Ago

Well I can't ask them to take it down because there is no way to reach them. Two they removed my name, changed the name of the artwork, can changed the link to FAA, so now when someone clicks on the image they go to their webpage not mine. On top of it all sometimes my image is not even on the page, they are just using my image to get people to their sites and they do this buy changing the FAA link. I am pissed about them changing the link to my FAA page, this is just WRONG.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

google doesn't change an image. if the image is changed you click to see where it goes, and send them a dmca notice. and if they ignore it, you complain to their ISP. all sites have to take the image down, a dmca notice (i forget how they are filed officially), google removes them from the search. there's always a way to reach them. if there is no mail on the page, do a who is. there is usually a contact on that page.

---Mike Savad

 

Jim Hughes

6 Months Ago

Annie, it's like living in Manhattan and complaining about the noise. You're right, it's aggravating and it's wrong, and we all feel the same way. I see my stuff on Pintererst, sometimes the image has even been modified in some way, and it tees me off. It may require changes to copyright laws, to the way the internet is (or isn't) regulated, and ultimately to the technical underpinnings of the internet itself. But correcting the problem is a long term undertaking. Google is, ironically, becoming an ethics-free monster that needs to be reined in, but their political clout is considerable. There's not much one person can do from ground level - you'd go crazy sending out all the takedown notices.

FAA could give you the option for smaller previews, but I think you'd find those are stolen too.

One thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority of people lifting our images aren't making any money from them. It's mostly just blogs and Pinterest pages that nobody ever looks at.

 

Jeffery Johnson

6 Months Ago

You have me curious now Annie what sites have your images on their pages?

 

Margit Wimmer

6 Months Ago

How did you find out ? I'm also curious.

 

Elizabeth McRorie

6 Months Ago

google image search http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en

just found these guys using my blue hydrangeas all over their website..yeesh

http://www.simply-sublime.com/gifts_for_her.htm

really I shouldn't go looking, because it just make my blood pressure go up lol

 

Jeffery Johnson

6 Months Ago

I have done reverse image searches with Google but I have not seen mine yet (which I am not sure if per say is a good thing or not).

 

Floyd Snyder

6 Months Ago

Annie, I have demonstrated it twice in two different threads. No matter how low of a resolution image I can get my hands on, and that includes any image on the net, I can "clip-it", enhance it, remove any watermark or links, rename it and resell it in a larger sizes including 24x36 in many cases or even higher.

In fact the images on FAA that you say can not be downloaded are better then the ones on google.

Welcome to the digital world!

And it is not going to be the ruination of the art world just like those new noisy, smelly, contraptions called auto-mo-biles weren't.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

if someone is selling your work - send them the bill for that work, then tell them to stop selling it. i know of many that hired lawyers and sued them. but that's a lot of hassle. it really depends on the client.

i like this part at the bottom:

"All designs and content shown on this website are property of Simply Sublime, Co. Any unauthorized use of this site or its contents, in whole or in part, will be considered copyright infringement."


---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

sometimes you can make things go viral (not sure how still), and a store could be a laughing stock by morning. there was a wedding photographer that not only took someone else's images from their site of couples, but even the layout of the site. by the next day she had 1000's of hate mail, her site was removed, and her name was shoved into the ground so far that she could never go back to being whatever it was she claimed to be.


---Mike Savad

 

Jeffery Johnson

6 Months Ago

This wall of shame is dedicated to photographers that feel that it's okay to steal others work and post it as their own. Oh I'm sorry, it's okay to let their "web designer" do it.

http://stopstealingphotos.com

 
 

Marlene Burns

6 Months Ago

they used to be 600 per side and images were still copied and manipulated.....so faa increased the size since it's obviously better for faa business.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

if sean is reading this -- as of late when you do an image search i've been seeing images that either say - click here to go to the site, no remote clicking. or it's badly compressed, so you have to go to the site to see it. i'm not sure how to force it to do that, but that's something i'd like to see. you would still see an image in google, of some kind anyway.

---Mike Savad

 

Bradford Martin

6 Months Ago

I believe a technology solution is on the horizon. But it will fall on the websites like Google, Pinterest and FAA to use it. And it's not always free. Already Getty has an agreement with Pinterest to restore links and metadata. So I am hoping FAA and other PODs will have this.

 

Gary Whitton

6 Months Ago

Copying a graphic from FAA or any site for that matter is as easy as hitting the print screen button. The only way to protect your art from petty thieves like this is to not put it online for anyone to see...of course that would seriously impact sales, so there is a choice to make.

The only technology I have seen that effectively prevents stealing...at least of the full resolution image is the preview script this site and many others already employee. FAA could go smaller images like shutterstock, etc but that may turn off buyers who want to be able to experience a bit of the image they want to buy, before they buy it. Tiny images make that hard.

 

Annie Zeno

6 Months Ago

Jeffrey just to name a few----loadpaper.com pictopin.com Imgite.com inspiritoo.com I could go on and on. Magit---I do a search image on google. But it's is a endless battle. It is just so disheartening when you put yourself into your work such as I do my painting and digital images too and find them on sites that put viruses in people computer or push spam! I am not raised to believe in hurting other such as these people coldly do and for what?????? They are not gaining anything but they ARE hurting me and my art. I am just trying to survive like everyone else. Wrong is wrong and I hope all these people get their fair share of such abuse of something dear to them. You have to admit---it's hurts to see your work which is a part of you taken and abused, it's like what we do deserve NO respect. Links changed, images changed, name removed, titles changed---it is stealing as far as I am concerned. I guess I have to do like everyone else and say oh well it's the internet and nothing can be done but it's pisses me off because these people are pissing on me and my work. Sorry I guess my Italian and Spanish temper is showing! We as artist should not just take this lightly.
As for DMCA, you need to have a link to a site with your image is on. In some cases my images just have the name and links changed to lead people to other sites. My images might not even be on that site. But when the links are changed NO ONE can get to my FAA site. So I could be losing sales. What hurts the artist, hurts FAA profits too. FAA should think about that fact.

 

Dan Turner

6 Months Ago

"But when the links are changed NO ONE can get to my FAA site. So I could be losing sales."

Annie, how are you losing sales? If the infringement never happened, the exact number of paths to your website would remain the same. Now your image is out there with no link. So? Same result, same number of paths. No one has taken anything away.

You seem to be upset that the unauthorized users are not making an effort to sell your images for you. Again, the result for you is as if they never copy/pasted your image. There is no need to be upset.

Dan Turner
Dan Turner's Seven Keys to Selling Art Online

 

Annie Zeno

6 Months Ago

I am confused Dan, if someone sees an image of mine on google and would like to buy a print of this image, they click on the image and get sent to an another site were my work is NOT at. Now this person is not going to jump through hoops to find me or my work, this is human nature. So what do you mean I did not lose a sale? There is NO path to my work, it was taken away by having the link changed. AND I never said anyone what selling my work, just changing, names, links, taken my name off the piece, etc.....FAA put a link straight to my website, there is were a sale can happen. Remove the FAA link and change this link to another, then a sale could be lose. I have one image on google for each work of mine, you change the link and a sale can be lost. The whole purpose of FAA putting our work on Google, is for people to see the image, click on the link, and you go to my site and I might get a sale. So I don't understand what you are talking about.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

then complain and have it removed, most if not all those sites have a dmca take down notice easy to find. but be aware, you take down 1 and 10 more will appear. dmca - post your own link, and the link of the offender. and do it over and over. it will take over your life.

you also can't tell if its going to reduce your sales. if anything it shows which ones are popular which should actually sell better.

there isn't anything faa can do about it. if you make the image small - there will be less sales. if the image was diced up, a screen capture could get it. there are numbers of ways to do it.

make sure your not on flickr, they post huge images.


---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

it depends what they are searching for. if you propagate your own images throughly, the links will go to you. if people really want your image they will find a way to buy it. i think they will know that it was a bad link. but you still have the ability to remove those links. the longer you wait the worse it would get.

faa doesn't put the stuff on google, google puts stuff on google. it's what it does.


---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

and of course how small is small. redbubble has about half the size (and far less sales), and that is taken too.


---Mike Savad

 

Jim Hughes

6 Months Ago

I really should remove my stuff from RedBubble as I never sell anything there. All it's doing is giving away the previews. RedBubble just sent out an email asking contributors to participate in a survey about improving the site. I decided it wasn't worth participating because nothing significant has changed at RB in years.

 

Mike Savad

6 Months Ago

i fill out those surveys hoping they will change stuff, and they never do. this one seems to be more about adding new products, even though it's really a pain to add anything to their products. and i told them so. they have so many of these and nothing gets done there. the last change was to make that ugly logo and that advertisement of their stuff in my activity screen.


---Mike Savad

 

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