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Been Here A Day...why Haven't I Sold Anything Yet?

Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 3:54 PM

So my wife just convinced me to join the site and put up the photographs I take of beer and whatnot (that Angelina is a persuasive vicksen--see what I did there?). The composition I think is pretty cool, though the image quality isn't deep enough for larger sizes. But least there's not a timestamp in the corner....

At any rate, I have a question: I've had one photo up for a couple of hours now and I still haven't sold a single print. Just exactly how long does it take? I'm lookin' to make some crazy stupid money off this one photo (enough to replace my previous $60k/yr full-time job), and I just don't understand why it's not selling yet. I figured out the math, and currently I need to make around an average of $1,000/day to make $60k by the end of the year, so I'm already behind by this photo not selling like Klingon bloodpies the very second I uploaded the image.

So am I doing something wrong? Is there an art god I need to sacrifice chalk and easels to? But....uhmmm...I'm also pretty sensitive, so if you could keep any and all remarks strictly positive, uplifting, and ultimately pandering I would really appreciate it.


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Posted by: Photography By Sai on 11/08/2013 - 4:01 PM

She forgot to disclose the fine print of Fine Art America before she coaxed you into signing up? Tsk


Posted by: Shana Rowe on 11/08/2013 - 4:03 PM

Lol I take it Angel has kept you in the loop about what goes on here...


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 4:04 PM

Yeah, she was all "Just sign up, post a pic, make money."

I've so been duped.


Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 11/08/2013 - 4:04 PM

Have another beer.



Posted by: John Ayo on 11/08/2013 - 4:05 PM

Not a problem. You just have to print up a bunch of the PDF sales sheets for each image and leave them lying around at Octoberfest. (Sorry, you'll have to wait til next year for your next try since that's the only time big-time art buyers drink beer.)


Posted by: Richard Rizzo on 11/08/2013 - 4:06 PM

have several while you wait. :)


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 4:09 PM

W...I AM! In fact, today is International Stout Day, so I'm currently enjoying a Lion Stout from Sri Lanka to commemorate the day. =)

Excellent idea, John. However, each sheet of paper is like .08 cents each, and that really cuts into my overhead of "not wanting to spend a single dime until I sell at least 10 prints". So that is just not going to work. Oh, and drunks don't know how to read. It is known.


Posted by: Bradley Clay on 11/08/2013 - 4:12 PM

Its just nobody likes that brand of beer.

keep drinking different brews and posting the images until one sells. Granted you might have your salary wrapped up in micro brews, but its the price you must pay...


Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 11/08/2013 - 4:16 PM

I agree with Bradley, drink and post. On a related note, there's a school of thought on faa that you will start selling once you've reached about 500-600 images. Chug-a-lug, my friend!



Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 4:17 PM

Bradley, are you saying that not only do I need more than ONE option for customers to choose from, but that further "research" for different photos may be needed?

Nope, complete bollocks. There's your one photo. It's terrificly wonderful (just ask me), and everyone should want that one. I'm done. Gonna just kick back and wait for the riches to roll in so I can finally get that miniature giraffe I've always wanted (friggin' Russians can't have all the opulence).


Posted by: Craig Carter on 11/08/2013 - 4:19 PM

If you really want to make some cash. Buy her that new camera she has been asking for!! lol
FAA should hire her. If she got you to sign up= no interview needed!!


Posted by: Patricia Strand on 11/08/2013 - 4:20 PM

Kyle, here's something uplifting. All that beer you drink for your photos should be tax-deductible. Check with your accountant.



Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 4:22 PM

Oh Patricia, that's positively DEVIOUS! Gonna have to look into that!


Posted by: John Crothers on 11/08/2013 - 4:44 PM

If you drink enough "props" you won't give a damn that you aren't selling any prints!

In fact, that may make a fun experiment.

Drink one, take a picture.
Drink another, take a picture.

Then we can check the quality of the images as the number of beers increases!

Don't drink and shoot. (that applies for more than one kind of shooting).


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 11/08/2013 - 4:46 PM

I like Angel's avatar better.......sorry,'s a 'girl' thing..........maybe try some wine.......?


Posted by: John Ayo on 11/08/2013 - 4:48 PM

That sounds like the seeds of an interesting project, John.

A series of photos of an increasing number of beer bottles, each shot taken and post-processed immediately after drinking the beer in the last bottle added.

I see a coffee table book in somebody's future. Or maybe a blog or live-tweet.


Posted by: Jenny Armitage on 11/08/2013 - 4:55 PM



Posted by: Paul Cowan on 11/08/2013 - 4:58 PM

Frankly, mate, you've got your pricing wrong. If you need $60,000 a year then you should price it at about $240,000 for the smallest size. That way, when it DOES sell, you won't need to sit worrying about making ends meet until the next sale. Also, this is the art world: price things low and people will think you don't value them, put a big price on it and people will fall over themselves to have one. Think marketing!
Now, where's my beer?


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 5:06 PM

I'm pretty sure there's no way Angel is letting me get sloshed and have access to a camera. Make of that what you will.


Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 11/08/2013 - 5:08 PM

When you are in England, remind me to take you to our local brewery for a tasting


Posted by: Gregory Scott on 11/08/2013 - 5:09 PM

I think in your 700 bottles of beer on the wall series, you need to do a self portrait each day after you drink the beer, and in the descriptions include the daily count, the total count, your rating of that particular brand of beer, and the sports score of the game you watched during your libation. You need these additional statistics to add the kind of sophistication that today's art consumer requires for conceptual/performance art of this kind. But your aesthetic mileage may vary. Maybe you should get a blood alcohol meter (the blow thru kind, I suppose) and include the reading of your blood alcohol level, as well. It's not recommended, but if you insist on drinking and driving, be sure to use a dash cam as well to document the total experience.


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/08/2013 - 5:16 PM

When Angel and I finally make it to England someday, you can bet on it!


Posted by: VICTOR MEBO CHOPOTI on 11/08/2013 - 5:43 PM

hey kyle,god will hear your cry oneday you will make the money on time,keepit up


Posted by: Viktor Savchenko on 11/08/2013 - 5:55 PM

The best you can do is to make prices for every size and material universal,let say 1000 usd.
Otherwise you'll be discouraged by earning 47 dollars per piece.
Because of that I just delayed purchase of your definitely unforgettable art.


Posted by: Angelina Vick on 11/08/2013 - 6:06 PM


I didn't think you were going to join! =P

Good job mentioning that you have NO sales on the first day.

Ya. I think we should start keeping the beer receipts.

I think you should put your handsome face in that avatar box.
It may help you sell.

Welcome to FAA!


Posted by: Wendy J St Christopher on 11/08/2013 - 6:14 PM

Dude . . . tweet it out.

And denoise. You need more denoise.

Amateur . . .


Posted by: Angelina Vick on 11/08/2013 - 6:29 PM

Funny. We were talking about reducing the noise in his photos, but I don't have a program specifically for noise reduction. I tried to work with one of his images in a regular editing program and I wasn't satisfied with how much detail was lost in order to reduce the noise.


Posted by: Bradley Clay on 11/08/2013 - 8:42 PM


Empty bottles of 20 year old single malt scotch sell like hotcakes on here! leave the beer to the amateurs. If you want the big bucks stick with the $150 bottles of scotch. Money attracts money!


Posted by: Ernie Echols on 11/08/2013 - 11:07 PM

LOL Kyle, Welcome aboard!!! :)


Posted by: Melissa Bittinger on 11/08/2013 - 11:20 PM


Lightroom has good noise reduction, topaz has seriously good noise reduction...imho and experience with way more noise than you have here! Topaz denoise can be purchased by itself and used as a plug-in, plugs in tooooo....well, check the specs, it plugs into several programs.

edit: you can recover some detail in topaz too and in lightroom.

See Kyle, you're participating and already had 48 views, just on that one lonely bottle, yep, needs some friends!


Posted by: Melissa Bittinger on 11/08/2013 - 11:25 PM

You need to do a blog and figure out how to make money with it, 'cuz you're quite entertaining, lol! Poor Angelina, you AND teenagers allll together now!


Posted by: Angelina Vick on 11/09/2013 - 12:56 AM


Sell Art Online

Oh yes, Shana, I have filled him in.

Greg...that was very well thought out...have you had that plan brewing for awhile?


Posted by: Photographic Arts And Design Studio on 11/09/2013 - 1:42 AM

Welcome. Kyle!

It's really all about the bots. You have to get those little guys to visit...and visit often. Once they start coming around, give them a pint of your best. They tend to travel in packs, and if you can get them a bit tipsy (one for for the bots etc.) who know what might happen, Sober bots are a little cheap of you ask me, but....drunk bots....We all might get a sale or two! That's the real secret around here!




Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/09/2013 - 3:09 AM

Thanks for the warm welcomes. Got a few more up...primarily outdoor shots (those naturally tended to have significantly less noise so they made for quick and easy uploads). Aaaaaaand...with that many photos now, I fully expect to be wealthy enough to just go ahead and buy FAA outright by the end of the month. Happy Thanksgiving indeed!

I'll buy everyone a round once that happens. Go ahead and wait for it.


Posted by: Craig Carter on 11/09/2013 - 3:38 AM

I thought this was a joke at first. Great stuff. Just in time for the holiday shopping season!


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/09/2013 - 3:43 AM

Well, Craig...ya got me. The sentiment of the initial post is indeed a bit tongue-in-cheek. However, my photography is quite real and quite for sale. Tell all your beer-loving friends! =)


Posted by: Jack Torcello on 11/09/2013 - 5:08 AM

Millions, if not billions of photographs are onsale online.
You must devise a strategy whereby your images rise
(like the bubbles in champagne?) to the surface so
coming to the attention of the buyers of art out there.

Enter competitions - inaugurate competitions. Have as
many sites online stacked with your stuff e.g. flickr, 500px,
artfreelife, Google+, facebook, photographyblog, smugmug,
zenfolio, world-photography-organisation, hdrspotting, pinterest,
pixoto, digital-photography-school, seen-by, photographytalk
- I could go on... !

Also, curate a group on faa or flickr or G+ - again people
wandering by to see what your group/community contains
oftentimes check-out your art too! I have noticed that some
people exhibit an artistic sensibility not so much in their
published art, but in their re-posting of the gems and jewels
they find in other postings - such notables in that school
include Jaycee Crawford, and Marilyn Alejandro (not on faa)
With such auspicious sensibilities on display, I was
motivated to consider their own art (as well as the re-posts)
which was not unremarkable.

Oh, and invite others for a beer! :)


Posted by: Elke Wessel on 11/09/2013 - 8:44 AM

Cheers and enjoy FAA ;) good luck with the combination of beer and picture selling
( LOL Richard :D )


Posted by: Leah Saulnier The Painting Maniac on 11/09/2013 - 9:02 AM

You are lucky you are married to my photo editor. I would be lost without your wife. hope you get more photo's of beer to make your chances better in selling here. Welcome to FAA Kyle and our little community here :)


Posted by: Valerie Reeves on 11/09/2013 - 9:41 AM

Excellent all around. Get back to us when that sale happens so we can all go cry into our own beer.


Posted by: Ricardo De Almeida on 11/09/2013 - 10:15 AM

"...I have a question: I've had one photo up for a couple of hours now and I still haven't sold a single print. Just exactly how long does it take? I'm lookin' to make some crazy stupid money off this one photo (enough to replace my previous $60k/yr full-time job),.."



Posted by: JC Findley on 11/09/2013 - 10:17 AM


Well done


Posted by: Harold Shull on 11/09/2013 - 10:40 AM

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Oooops, sorry, my keyboard must have gotten stuck in the ya gotta be kiddin me mode. :)


Posted by: Marlene Burns on 11/09/2013 - 10:42 AM

haahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahhahaahahahahahah backatcha


Posted by: Robert Frank Gabriel on 11/09/2013 - 10:44 AM

Now is the time to call your family and beg them to buy a print or two of yours. Fine Art America has a few favorites that they promote. The rest of us are here to use this site as our online photo club. Get used to it. We are here to help Fine Art America make money, not the other way around,


Posted by: Joy McKenzie on 11/09/2013 - 11:47 AM'll be any minute now! Just sit back and relax. Nothing further you need to do :) (you and Angel are the cutest couple!)


Posted by: Barbara St Jean on 11/09/2013 - 5:03 PM

Day two, anything yet????


Welcome Kyle!!

Cheers, Barbara
Saint Jean Arts


Posted by: Mary Armstrong on 11/09/2013 - 5:09 PM

Double Cheers! Mary


Posted by: Angelina Vick on 11/09/2013 - 5:13 PM

Lol. Not yet.

We are taking a trial run of the Nik suite.

He is out taking another shot, with his phone and my dslr.

Let the games begin.


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/09/2013 - 5:46 PM

No, Barbara...two days in and not a single sale. Only conclusion I can come to is that it's all just COMPLETE GARBAGE and that I am perhaps the worst photographer ever to disgrace the realm of soul-stealing. I'm just gonna delete my account and bemoan my ill fortune across the interwebs, slandering the name of FAA in the process because this site obviously doesn't work.

Woe to those who ARE selling anything, for they've apparently sold their souls to the Nine Hells and in service of Cthulu, having sacrificed any number of infant puppy cats in order to broker such a deal. Woe to ye, sir and/or ma'am. WOE TO YE!


Posted by: Angelina Vick on 11/09/2013 - 5:51 PM

I made a sale yesterday, I don't recall selling my soul to anyone. ;)


Posted by: Kyle Vick on 11/09/2013 - 6:01 PM

WOOOOOOEEEEE!!! Especially ye who flagrantly flaunt such fortunes upon my flawed and failed faculties!


Posted by: Barbara St Jean on 11/09/2013 - 6:30 PM

LOL, too funny LOL....

We will all need a beer when you sell your one and only master piece!!! LOL

WOOOOEEEE!! the games have begun...

Cheers, Barbara
Saint Jean Arts


Posted by: Mary Ellen Mueller-Legault on 11/09/2013 - 6:45 PM


Have a beer and call us in the morning, there will be bluebirds over the cliffs of Littleton by then.All will be well and the course of your life will continue along the happy road to personal fulfillment.


Posted by: Richard Reeve on 11/09/2013 - 8:35 PM

Kyle, you are a genius who knows how to use the web for promotion - you will go far! Love the photo series too, btw ;-)
PS - Try Dogfish Head Brewery for some of the best beer in the land, imho...


Posted by: Ernie Echols on 11/10/2013 - 12:38 AM

Hey Kyle I also sold one today. :) Stick around it's bound to happen for you as well. :)


Posted by: Melissa Bittinger on 11/10/2013 - 12:43 AM



Posted by: Les Palenik on 11/10/2013 - 1:00 AM

There is no easy way,
you'll have to double your portfolio before you'll see any action.


Posted by: Craig Carter on 11/10/2013 - 2:44 AM

Seriously, here is what you do. Keep drinking beer but simply have your wife create a gallery under her profile. Name it: Beer Fund Gallery. She has the search engine thing down to a science. Piggy back off her longevity. lol


Posted by: Andrew Pacheco on 11/10/2013 - 7:49 AM

If you start drinking cheaper beer you won't have to worry about making as many sales.

...but seriously, whoever mentioned the blog idea above is on to something. You obviously have a love for beer, blogging about it would be a great way to expose your work to your niche market.

Welcome to FAA, and best of luck to you!


Posted by: To-Tam Gerwe on 11/10/2013 - 8:58 AM

It take me a while to understand that this is a Joke right? Sorry about my understanding in English LOL.

To-Tam Gerwe


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