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Dirty Little Secrets

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/12/2013 - 8:58 PM

Apparently, there is a "whistleblower" thread on Reddit that is getting a lot of attention! Snowden who? When I started reading this, I ran the gambit of emotions from disturbed to angry to sad to amused.. Now, I'm a little more jaded. Have fun!

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1kfoy5/what_is_a_dirty_little_or_big_secret_about_an/

 

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Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 09/12/2013 - 10:33 PM

There are posts made on FAA that don't have anything to do with art (or anything else interesting at all) - you know, cutesy-poo cat videos and other assorted stuff. I never even open those posts.

However, to anybody reading this, this one is worth it. But a BIG caution: if you don't want to read about companies and products you deal with all the time doing things to cheat, lie, and rip you off, then do not read the linked article. The more you read, the more you WILL get pi--ed off. Guaranteed. Thanks, Lance. I will spread this around myself. Nothing like having some fun pi--ing off friends and family! LOL!

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 12:05 AM

Yeah, I really think that everyone should read this. It gives you a pretty clear perspective on the true nature of human beings and the business world. I guess the challenge would be coming out of it without being completely misanthropic.

 

Posted by: Kevin Callahan on 09/13/2013 - 9:52 AM

well I read through quite a few of the "comments" and did not find anything that surprised me all that much. But it was a fun read.

 

Posted by: Chuck De La Rosa on 09/13/2013 - 10:10 AM

Good link, but I stopped reading about 1/2 way down. I didn't read anything I didn't already know about since I was a young naive guy. Maybe I'm just more well read (and jaded) than other people, but these days very little about greed and the human condition surprises or shocks me anymore.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 09/13/2013 - 10:21 AM

and i looked it up

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=casket&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=0

you can get them on walmart. and they look nice. they send it right over to the funeral home in a few days. i didn't check the shipping, but it's like half the price if you go with deluxe models. real jewish people usually put them in a pine box. simple stuff.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 10:47 AM

The link I posted was filtered by the "best" posts (I guess that means the most views/responses?). You can set the filter to "newest" as well. It seems to go on forever. I'm pretty jaded as well but I guess my surprise was in how many different routine aspects of ours lives (and deaths, apparently) we are being conned / robbed.

 

Posted by: Chuck De La Rosa on 09/13/2013 - 11:10 AM

Lance, the trouble is that if we dwelt on that thought, we'd go crazy. And many people have! Moreover, there isn't a whole heck of a lot we can do about it so there is little point in getting worked up.

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 11:20 AM

@Chuck

I agree with you. Getting "worked up" and not doing anything but driving yourself crazy doesn't help at all. However, imho, awareness is important. For all of those people who aren't "in the know" or who are young and naive or who drank the Kool-Aid at some point; awareness is the key. At the very least, it might help keep people from having money Hoovered out of their wallets everyday. It might help people to defend themselves against the daily swindle that awaits them when they walk out the door (or get online).

 

Posted by: Chuck De La Rosa on 09/13/2013 - 11:23 AM

Hoovered! Awesome! Haven't heard that one in 20 years. You know you're giving away your age...

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 11:26 AM

Yep. I'm an old fart.

 

Posted by: Craig Carter on 09/13/2013 - 11:36 AM

Interesting link Mike. Considering we just buried an older brother unexpectedly and despite having a policy they said he was a few inches wider than a normal body thus we had to pay extra for a wider casket. Of course family members are distraught and can't think straight during these times. Do you really need a funeral home? County morgue and a casket from Walmart. I told everyone there that just a simple cremation and a few sprinkles in any major ocean in the world would suffice for my body.

 

Posted by: Kevin Callahan on 09/13/2013 - 11:43 AM

as an aside I actually know some of the heirs of the Hoover company. There were 2 brothers, one had three daughters and because dear old dad was a drunk they got snookered out of any major inheritance.

 

Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 09/13/2013 - 11:51 AM

We say hovered here in the uk as a matter of everyday

 

Posted by: Robert Kernodle on 09/13/2013 - 11:56 AM

I am NOT surprised by the "dirty little secrets" in the article linked to in this thread.

I sense that many people have zero personal work ethic - they justify doing a job to a level of excellence ONLY in proportion to the salary they are paid, and since many people are stuck working for a low salary, they are stuck in habits of low commitment to performing those jobs.

On the other hand, I regard my efforts as my personal signature, regardless of how much money is involved. If I take on a task, then I take it on FIRST, because I am committed to performing it with some degree of excellence. If I am not willing to put anything into it, then I do not do it.

Even if we are forced to work for small amounts of measurable compensation, still we should work for the sake of living.

I have sometimes asked people, "At what point in your life will you start to perform your tasks with great care? When will you ever perfect the practice of great care, if you never practice great care to begin with?"

Some people act as though they can magically execute the great-care button when someone finally offers them enough money to do so, only to find they they have not trained themselves to care all along, thus, setting themselves up to fail, because they do not know how to physically perform in this mode.

It's like being an athlete - you cannot just decide one day to run 5 miles, not having ever run before. You have to train at running to run well. Similarly, you have to train at performing a job well, in order to actually be able to do it, when the opportunity comes along with greater pay.

The so called "dirty little secrets" in the work force (in my opinion) mostly stem from this false concept of "waiting for the right pay to start working seriously".

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 12:06 PM

@Robert

That's great but this thread isn't really about you and your personal commitment to excellence. There are plenty of people that try to excel at whatever they do. The problem is, imo, mediocrity is rewarded more than anything else. If you strive for excellence, it can make you a target. If you strive for excellence, you might be rocking the boat. The people that have power don't really want someone in their midst that might threaten their position. The biggest dupe of all is that the wealthy and powerful want you to join their club.

 

Posted by: Chuck Staley on 09/13/2013 - 12:55 PM

I grew up in funeral homes and could never understand why people wanted to be embalmed, looked at in a casket, then stuck in the ground.

Why not devote your body to science?

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/13/2013 - 1:04 PM

The thing I noticed reading this is none of these are things you are FORCED to do.

Are companies trying to make money off you? YES! Is that a surprise for anyone?

Do companies have bad employees and policies? YES! Is that a surprise for anyone?

Boo-hoo. Do things yourself, or deal with the way things are.

As anyone who has worked in the restaurant industry can tell you...you don't want to know what goes on behind the scenes in the restaurant industry. But, most times what you don't know don't hurt you. If that statement disturbs you, don't go out to eat.

If what the farmers are doing with your food bothers you, grow your own food.

It is nice to live in a country with so much excess we can complain about such things instead of spending our time trying to figure out where our next meal is coming from!

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 1:29 PM

@John

Yes you do have a choice and you don't HAVE to do anything you don't want to but that's not the point. The stance that, "If you don't like the way it's done, do it yourself." is false logic. The point is that people are making uneducated decisions based on, at best, faulty info and at worst, straight-up lies. They are spending too much money that they are probably doing something they hate to earn to buy products and services that aren't nearly as good as advertised. All of your statements sound logical but if thought out to conclusion, are not. Your basic argument is to quit complaining about your problems because it could be worse. Of course it could be worse but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it better.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 09/13/2013 - 1:47 PM

yeah the behind the scenes for hotels, and restaurants are just bleah. i worked in a hotel for a month or so, and the prettier it looks on the outside, the grosser it is on the inside. what it looks like in a school cafeteria, is how most places look.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/13/2013 - 2:40 PM

The stance that, "If you don't like the way it's done, do it yourself." is false logic. The point is that people are making uneducated decisions based on, at best, faulty info and at worst, straight-up lies"

Don't forget the consumer's responsibility as well. Are they inflating the value of something to make themselves feel better? Are they lying to themselves on why they NEED something? People will blame the marketing but people have to also be responsible for how they decide what is valuable. Diamonds are basically just rocks right? But we lie to ourselves and say they are precious stones. I have heard that DeBeers controls most the world's diamonds and they limit the supply to make them seem more rare than they are. But they couldn't DO that if we all looked at them for what they are...rocks.

Price is based on supply and demand and demand is usually based on how much value we attach to a product. Other than food, water and shelter everything else is perceived value.

When an artist sells an original for $5,000.00 and prints for $50.00 are they just inflating the value of the original? It may be the ONLY original painting but it is not the ONLY version of that image. They are adding a value to the original by calling it one-of-a-kind and people believe it (I happen to believe it). That is an accepted belief. But not everyone thinks the original is worth 100 times more and would be quite happy with the "copy".

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 2:57 PM

@John

I agree with you to a point but once again, there is a line between supply and demand and a con. Sure, you want to make your product look as good as possible BUT if you are offering one thing and supplying something different and inferior, then, as far as I'm concerned, that is criminal. I place a value on my work and that value is what I think it is worth. What I do here is supply and demand in it's purest form. I put a price on my product and I get it. There are those that price their work higher than mine and don't get paid. If I were to advertise my photographs as acrylic airbrushed paintings on canvas, then that would be more akin to what I am talking about. I'm sorry John but trying to justify the giant Three Card Monte game that business has become is just that - a justification.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/13/2013 - 6:33 PM

Lance,

What is the solution?

Gas is expensive because they found out we'd pay $3.50 a gallon. Internet and the stupid cell phones are expensive because we seem to think we have to have them.

Do you think the government should set prices? Should they get into the gas, internet, cell phone and diamond industries like they are with health care?

Do you want them to tell you what you should charge for your products or should you be able to get as much as you can for them?

Thing is we live in a free market and a free market contributes to advancements.

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 6:54 PM

@John

Okay, so now you've made it clear where you stand politically. What does that have to do with my OP? Are you planning on starting a shady business that scams people out of their money and don't want to be regulated by the Nanny State? I'm not quite sure what your issue is. A solution? The solution is for people to be aware of how they are being scammed on a regular basis so they might be able to save their money. Is that not fiscally responsible? You seem to be trying to politicize this. Not everything is an attack on your political beliefs.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/13/2013 - 6:59 PM

Lance,

My "political beliefs" are that they are ALL full of shit. I don't trust them and I don't want any of them more involved in anyone's life than absolutely necessary. You have no idea where I stand politically.

"The solution is for people to be aware of how they are being scammed on a regular basis so they might be able to save their money"

Most people learn that by 1st grade. Ever see a kid save up their money to buy something only to find out it is a piece of crap? Then again, I guess there are people that still send money to that Nigerian prince so is there anything that can be done to protect the ignorant? Ever hear of "Buyer Beware"?

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/13/2013 - 7:06 PM

@John

I am quite aware of "Buyer Beware", the mantra of every shady business man who has ever screwed someone out of money. Who is the "they" that is full of it? I'm not sure which school it is that teaches first graders how to be a smart consumer but wherever it is, I want to live there! Wow. Just imagine - a school that makes cartoon laden commercials for sugar frosted cereals obsolete! Neat!

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Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/14/2013 - 8:04 PM

I haven't gone to a BP station to get gas since the oil spill. It's a small little boycott which BP doesn't feel at all but it gives me piece of mind. I also stopped going to Exxon after the Valdez spill. I can literally count on one hand the number of times I've gone to an Exxon station in the past 22 years and in all of those cases, it was an emergency situation. I haven't eaten at a McDonalds in 2 years and that was only because my girlfriend wanted to go. When I told her how much wood pulp was used to make her chicken biscuit, she stopped going as well.

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 09/14/2013 - 8:15 PM

I was referring to his (once again) broad generalization about Americans and how we live our lives.

It's not just America Lance. I live in Canada and I see the same attitude John is describing, here as well.

Maybe you are different than the majority, but the majority are to blame for what the west has become, not the corporations. If the majority did not have to have everything, lots of THINGS, most of the major corporations would not be in business. No, everyone needs the fancy car, the boat, the big screen tv in every room in the house and the latest cell phone every darn year. Gadgets for this and things for that. Maybe you are different Lance, but that makes you the MINORITY.

Do you know what it takes to make all those THINGS, the majority buy up and go into more debt for? Oil, Electricity, Gas...... and yes..... CHEAP LABOR. The next time the majority want to complain about human rights with big corporations, take a moment to think about it when going to buy the latest iPhone.

Roseann talks about people that complain about the THING that breaks a month after buying it from Walmart. Maybe the question should be, did they really need the THING in the first place!

The majority blame the banks for the economy, yet look at the American and Canadian household debt stats!! The majority have put themselves so far in debt, in order to keep up with the neighbors and HAVE everything these major corporations can offer, that they will never dig out of it. Then what happens when they realize what THEY have done to THEMSELVES. Take responsibility? NO WAY! They find someone else to blame. Hey it must be the corporations fault! They sold it to us!!

No one wants to take responsibility for themselves anymore. And we are passing that mentality on to our kids as well. I see it every day.

The corporations have their own issues and maybe some day they will be held accountable for their part, but it really chaps my ^%$ when I hear the majority blame the corporations for their plight, when it is the majority's own GREED that got them where they are in the first place.


EDIT - Of course if the majority can't blame the corporations for their plight, they will start blaming the media for advertising the THINGS to them.


 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 8:33 PM

" What about the people who don't make enough money to shop anywhere else? Do they have a right to complain when something breaks a month after buying it? I mean the average person would complain if something broke a month after buying it"

There is a reason people say "you get what you pay for". That usually holds true. Sure expensive stuff sometimes breaks after a month and sometimes cheap stuff last for years. But if you buy a cheap knock-off from China you really shouldn't be shocked that your $10.00 designer handbag's strap fell off after a month. You really have no reason to complain.

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/14/2013 - 8:33 PM

@Tiny

I have to actually agree with you to a certain extent on that. We do buy into their b.s. way too much. That being said, I'm not sure if you can appreciate how much we as Americans are bombarded with advertising at every turn. We are systematically inundated with sexual imagery, fear and guilt / shame to sell us everything. We are constantly being told how inadequate we are because we don't have this product or that. If we are able to keep a clear perspective on anything, it's a feat.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:38 PM

There is a reason people say "you get what you pay for". That usually holds true. Sure expensive stuff sometimes breaks after a month and sometimes cheap stuff last for years. But if you buy a cheap knock-off from China you really shouldn't be shocked that your $10.00 designer handbag's strap fell off after a month. You really have no reason to complain.

So what you're saying is if you can't afford to buy better, too bad?

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:39 PM

Roseann talks about people that complain about the THING that breaks a month after buying it from Walmart. Maybe the question should be, did they really need the THING in the first place!

For one person it was a bread maker. She was hoping to cut costs by making her own.

The majority blame the banks for the economy, yet look at the American and Canadian household debt stats!! The majority have put themselves so far in debt, in order to keep up with the neighbors and HAVE everything these major corporations can offer, that they will never dig out of it. Then what happens when they realize what THEY have done to THEMSELVES. Take responsibility? NO WAY! They find someone else to blame. Hey it must be the corporations fault! They sold it to us!!

I think that "Keeping up with the Jones" went out in the seventies. Now it's "can I afford to send my kids to a decent college?"

So you're saying that banks have no responsibility at all for the current economy in this country?

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/14/2013 - 8:40 PM

@Tiny

Yes I do blame the minority that run everything for the problems of society. They have enough money and power to stack the odds to a point that it basically rapes the poor and middle class in this country. I can give you graphs, charts, facts and figures to back this up but I'm willing to bet that that wouldn't sway you in the slightest.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:45 PM

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 8:49 PM

"I haven't gone to a BP station to get gas since the oil spill. It's a small little boycott which BP doesn't feel at all but it gives me piece of mind"

That is a start Lance. But you do know that ALL oil companies have a negative impact on the planet.

I understand that it probably makes you feel better (like the dolphin safe tuna) but in the big picture it isn't enough. You say my argument is ridiculous and I am defending the indefensible when you can't see (or WON'T see) the facts that are in front of your face. Oil is bad for the Earth. Drilling for it, refining it, burning it. Avoiding one or two gas stations doesn't absolve you from YOUR impact on the planet even though you REALLY want to act like it does.

That is why I wouldn't ban BP because I know this. I ADMIT it. I damage the planet with my actions and I admit it. I ADMIT I like the convenience of driving my car. I don't pretend I "need" to or "have to so I can eat" I just admit it, I LIKE driving more than walking. Because if you cut through all the touchy-feely BS on subjects like oil people drive because they LIKE to. Defend it any way you like but you use oil you can't complain about "big oil".

I also support big, evil heartless corporations. I enjoy a lot of the products they make. I will do what nobody else seems willing to do. I am on an hp computer, Midwest energy provides my electricity and propane, I have food from Kraft, Hershey, Heinz, and Jimmy Dean's. I drive a Ford and frequent the Marathon station near my house. My TV is a Samsung, I own a Playstation 3 and an iPhone 4s.

I enjoy all of these things. In their own way they make my life easier (especially the food, electricity and propane). Do these companies have dirty secrets? I am going to assume they ALL do. Oh well. I weight their benefits to the cost and have decided the benefits are greater. If I didn't feel that way I would give them up, even if it was really, really hard to do so.

Like I said, I can watch the sausage being made. I am not pretending it is made by happy little elves in a magic workshop deep in the forest where the animals play with each other all day long in perfect harmony.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 8:52 PM

"I have to actually agree with you to a certain extent on that. We do buy into their b.s. way too much. That being said, I'm not sure if you can appreciate how much we as Americans are bombarded with advertising at every turn. We are systematically inundated with sexual imagery, fear and guilt / shame to sell us everything. We are constantly being told how inadequate we are because we don't have this product or that. If we are able to keep a clear perspective on anything, it's a feat."

Lance that sounds like a cop-out that attempts to remove all personal responsibility. Boo-hoo we can't HELP it. They put pretty, shiny objects on our screen and I HAVE to buy them. If people do this stuff because they are that weak and feeble then I say to hell with them, they SHOULD be taken advantage of.

Thing is the VAST majority of people are not that helpless, even if they want to pretend they are.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 8:53 PM

"So what you're saying is if you can't afford to buy better, too bad?"

Here's an idea Roseann, why not SAVE for it?

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 8:55 PM

"For one person it was a bread maker. She was hoping to cut costs by making her own."

The last time I looked (and it's been a long time) a good bread maker is expensive and a loaf of bread is pretty cheap.

Also, didn't people bake bread for thousands of years before the invention of modern bread makers? Couldn't she just buy a bread pan?

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:56 PM

understand that it probably makes you feel better (like the dolphin safe tuna) but in the big picture it isn't enough. You say my argument is ridiculous and I am defending the indefensible when you can't see (or WON'T see) the facts that are in front of your face. Oil is bad for the Earth. Drilling for it, refining it, burning it. Avoiding one or two gas stations doesn't absolve you from YOUR impact on the planet even though you REALLY want to act like it does.

That is why I wouldn't ban BP because I know this. I ADMIT it. I damage the planet with my actions and I admit it. I ADMIT I like the convenience of driving my car. I don't pretend I "need" to or "have to so I can eat" I just admit it, I LIKE driving more than walking. Because if you cut through all the touchy-feely BS on subjects like oil people drive because they LIKE to. Defend it any way you like but you use oil you can't complain about "big oil".


But again, John, you like to say that people don't "need" cars or oil, but you offer no reasonable alternative to how a family can survive in today's world without a car.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:57 PM

I have to actually agree with you to a certain extent on that. We do buy into their b.s. way too much. That being said, I'm not sure if you can appreciate how much we as Americans are bombarded with advertising at every turn. We are systematically inundated with sexual imagery, fear and guilt / shame to sell us everything. We are constantly being told how inadequate we are because we don't have this product or that. If we are able to keep a clear perspective on anything, it's a feat.

I've learned to ignore the marketing. I will appreciate a well-done commercial, but I have no desire to buy the product. I stick to what I need, do my research and buy American made when I can. In some cases it's not available, but you do the best you can when you can.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 8:59 PM

Here's an idea Roseann, why not SAVE for it?

There are those who do, but I'm referring to people of a very low income. What if it's an article of clothing and it falls apart within a month?

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/14/2013 - 9:01 PM

@John

I said it before. Not all corporations are bad. I also said I'm not anti-corporation. I am anti-abuse-of-power. You keep saying repeatedly that you are tired of the complaining but that is exactly what you are doing. Complaining and protest are nothing more than communication. Communication does change things. Yes, it is important that we are aware of what goes on behind the scenes. It is important that we are educated about the realities of our society - especially the uncomfortable ones. There is a reason that slaves weren't allowed to learn how to read.

By your reasoning, we should all just sit around fat, dumb and grateful for all of the hydrogenated vegetable oil, bleached enriched wheat flour and high fructose corn syrup that is being pumped down our throats.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 9:03 PM

The last time I looked (and it's been a long time) a good bread maker is expensive and a loaf of bread is pretty cheap.

Also, didn't people bake bread for thousands of years before the invention of modern bread makers? Couldn't she just buy a bread pan?


Not all bread makers are expensive. Yes, a loaf of bread is pretty cheap, but if you make an initial investment on the maker and the ingredients, it will save you money in the long run. The bread maker will also save some time for her. It makes the dough and bakes it. Gives her time to do other things around her living space.

What wrong with asking that good parts be used and the maker be well made?

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 9:15 PM

"But again, John, you like to say that people don't "need" cars or oil, but you offer no reasonable alternative to how a family can survive in today's world without a car."


Like I told you before Roseann people survived without cars for thousands and thousands of years. Most people in China don't own a car. You may call that unreasonable but just because something is VERY hard doesn't mean it is unreasonable. It can be done and it has been done.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 9:17 PM

"There are those who do, but I'm referring to people of a very low income. What if it's an article of clothing and it falls apart within a month?"

First of all low income people can save for stuff, it may take longer but it can be done.

Second, don't places like Goodwill sell brand name clothing cheap?

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 9:20 PM

"I said it before. Not all corporations are bad."

So what did BP do that was bad? Spill oil? Do you think they did that on purpose?

"Complaining and protest are nothing more than communication. Communication does change things"

Sounds to me like this protesting and complaining is more to get OTHER people to change things.

"Yes, it is important that we are aware of what goes on behind the scenes. It is important that we are educated about the realities of our society - especially the uncomfortable ones"

And if someone ignores this information or doesn't care they are unreasonable and ridiculous?

"By your reasoning, we should all just sit around fat, dumb and grateful for all of the hydrogenated vegetable oil, bleached enriched wheat flour and high fructose corn syrup that is being pumped down our throats."

I admit I would rather do that than grow my own damn food! How about you?

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 9:27 PM

"Not all bread makers are expensive."

But it sounds like the cheap ones break in a month. Notice I said a "good" bread maker is expensive.

" it will save you money in the long run. The bread maker will also save some time for her. It makes the dough and bakes it. Gives her time to do other things around her living space."

Yes a bread maker saves time and effort. Doing it the "old" way is hard and takes longer. But the "old" way is cheaper. Buying bread is faster and easier than a bread maker but it cost more in the long run.

There are choices there, plenty of choices. If you can't afford a quality maker than take that option off the table (or at least save until you can but one).


"What wrong with asking that good parts be used and the maker be well made? "

They DO that, it is what you get with the more expensive bread makers. Are you trying to say some company should use the same good parts as the expensive bread makers but sell them at half the price?

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 9:28 PM

Like I told you before Roseann people survived without cars for thousands and thousands of years. Most people in China don't own a car. You may call that unreasonable but just because something is VERY hard doesn't mean it is unreasonable. It can be done and it has been done.

Yes, they did. That was also over 100+ years ago. Most people in China have healthcare, too, so what's your point? HAS been done. Many years ago. Single people living in large cities will use public transportation, walk or bike. But I'm talking about a family, getting their kids to school, getting to their jobs, going to the grocery store. People need food, shelter and water. For food and shelter in this world you need money which you get by obtaining a job. You need to get from your home to you job. In today's world, a car is used. In the early 20th century horses and carriages were still used. In today's world, if you can't get to your job and someone else can they will get the job. You say build your own house and grow your own food. But you still need money for the land. Again, a job is needed. So is a car. Now if you wish to repeat this same nonsense over and over and not admit the truth that in today's world many people do need cars.

First of all low income people can save for stuff, it may take longer but it can be done.

Second, don't places like Goodwill sell brand name clothing cheap?


For things that are unnecessary such as iPods, smartphones, I agree. Save your money for the best product you can get. Yes, Goodwill sells clothing, I'm not sure they all have brand names. What happens if they don't have your size?

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 9:32 PM

BP's earnings: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/apr/30/bp-record-profit-safety-record

BP's safety record: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bps-dismal-safety-record/story?id=10763042

OSHA statistics show BP ran up 760 "egregious, willful" safety violations, while Sunoco and Conoco-Phillips each had eight, Citgo had two and Exxon had one comparable citation.

Look at their numbers compared to their competitors. Their record is atrocious. So yes, I think we all have the right speak out against it. And boycott it. And question why are they still in business in this country.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 9:35 PM

Yes a bread maker saves time and effort. Doing it the "old" way is hard and takes longer. But the "old" way is cheaper. Buying bread is faster and easier than a bread maker but it cost more in the long run.

There are choices there, plenty of choices. If you can't afford a quality maker than take that option off the table (or at least save until you can but one).


And when she buys the quality one and it breaks? I take it she has no right to speak out against that either?

They DO that, it is what you get with the more expensive bread makers. Are you trying to say some company should use the same good parts as the expensive bread makers but sell them at half the price?

Nope. I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to sell their substandard crap to anyone. At all.

Companies used to care about a quality product. Not any more. Just how much money they can make screwing people over. It's really pathetic.

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 09/14/2013 - 9:35 PM

Roseann,

If someone wanted to give up their car bad enough it could be done. Again, it would be hard but that doesn't mean it could not be done. How would they do it? I don't know. Like I said, I have no desire to give up my car. I also am not complaining about the evil car companies or the oil companies. I appreciate both of them for making my life easier.

"For things that are unnecessary such as iPods, smartphones, I agree. Save your money for the best product you can get. Yes, Goodwill sells clothing, I'm not sure they all have brand names. What happens if they don't have your size? "

You are acting like people wake up one day without any clothes. If they don't have clothes in your size, come back next week or go to another store, I know they are all over here. Goodwill has whatever people donate and people donate brand name, decent clothes.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 09/14/2013 - 9:38 PM

If someone wanted to give up their car bad enough it could be done. Again, it would be hard but that doesn't mean it could not be done. How would they do it? I don't know. Like I said, I have no desire to give up my car. I also am not complaining about the evil car companies or the oil companies. I appreciate both of them for making my life easier.

So you have nothing to stand on here. Just your word saying it can be done. But no idea how. Again, I think you're being very unrealistic.

You are acting like people wake up one day without any clothes. If they don't have clothes in your size, come back next week or go to another store, I know they are all over here. Goodwill has whatever people donate and people donate brand name, decent clothes.

You act like there's never a time in their life when someone does needs something within a time frame and it's too much to expect to get a decent product for their money.

 

Posted by: Lance Vaughn on 09/14/2013 - 9:39 PM

@John

I love how little empathy you've shown through this entire thread. I love how you've tirelessly defended sociopathic business practices where huge sums of cash are used to sway the masses to act against their own best interests. That's quite a feat. You should be proud. Reading your endless repetition has really stimulated and enlightened me.

As enlightening as all of this has been, it is growing tedious and it is consuming too much of my time. The great thing about opening a thread is that I can close it after I have the last word.

My last word comes from someone much smarter than me.

“Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence.” ― Leonardo da Vinci

 

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