Alt And Title Tags

Bet I'm not the only one who didn't know this! Okay, I'll practice.....NOW! Have to be careful to stay inside the ' ' Here's what I put in place.....dream shadows digital art by melissa bittinger and lavender sea digital painting by melissa bittinger

That didn't work!

try again....HA, got it, must of deleted a character the first time
Thanks Abbie

I forgot to say, do not use any characters in alt and title tags, only numbers or letters

It should work

Grab the whole image code and pop it here

Change your tags

Submit

Hoover your mouse over the image and your alt or title will show

Cool

cool, I didn't know about the hovering, it shows the title. Yeah, one more computer skill learned. Now I want to know how to put things in bold and italics in discussion threads?

edit: I'll have to check back later, it's almost 4am again! and I'm here instead of in bed....I'll pay for it later too, boo.

http://1stangel.co.uk/fineartamerica

Lots of tutorials there

See under discussions

You can practise here

wow, Abbie, thanks, who knew? I am giving it a whirl



And so as not to bore Abbie, this was drawn impromptu with my touchpad while I was sitting on the sofa with my laptop, and I saw Innocence, one of my cats, lying in front of me, and thought her shape was so cute I decided to draw it. I later developed it further and put in my morning coffee and added color. I uploaded that one a while back but when going through my files, I saw this one again and really liked just the simple black and white drawing, so I uploaded it, too.






Edit - Cool, it worked! I hope that wasn't TMI Abbie. :)

I hate being slow - I just now figured out wth you were talking about. LOL

I know! Me, too! So slow!!!

Not TMI at ALL and THAT is what people should be doing when they add posts!!!!!

I love that sketch/line drawing/doodle

Abbie, sha! Thank you!!!!

You are right, it would make it more interesting. I hope people start doing it.

That way, even if someone's art is not one's cup of tea, one might give it a second look, and not just scroll by.

Absolutely :)

Still puzzled.com but then Thursdays are the slowest day for my brain :D

LOL Hover over the two images in the thread....
see the writing? That is what you add to your images in the alt/title tags

Well, not what THEY have written LOL

Here is an example of what is put if the image is not there (hopefully it will show up in the forum)



Ok it is not showing the words, which it would on some places but, if you hover at least you can still see what it says so normally your name would be there and the title of the image.

That means search engines (who do not actually 'see' your images), would see that instead so, it does not matter if the image is removed etc, your name and the image name is still out there

to be honest up till this point i didn't even notice it was there. but now that i do...


---Mike Savad

edit-interesting codes for me are like a foreign language.

Aha, how cool is that? Thanks for sharing this information, Abbie!

I should have brought it up before, to be honest but, you know what it is when you know something and do not even think that others do not. I have to thank Dan and Robert for reminding me

Took me several reads to get what you were saying. Testing to see if I get this...



EDIT: It worked. Cool! Thanks Abbie!

I am totally lost here...can someone help me out? Got in on discussion late and don't have a clue...

Thanks for the info Abbie! Nice to know!

Karen - post an image in this discussion, but before you submit it, carefully look at the code and you'll see what Abbie is talking about.

Well done everyone !!

By Jove, I think they've got it!

Karen, it is fully explained in the top post. It is any image code you use from anywhere but we are talking about your image code next to the images

But we have no opportunity to change the code when posting a new picture to our FAA account, have we?

Abbie, as far as I know thats what I did. I'll figure it out one day I suppose.

Thanks Nikolyn (Everybody really)

This is what I have done. Went into Photo, copied the embed code, went from there to edit Image, pasted the code in Image description and altered the" sell Art online" part to the new one and pressed submit.

A Tree lined walk at Sutro Beach Park in San Francisco as the Sun was just coming up. The affect of the Sun shining through the Trees was especially thrilling in this glorious California setting.


That worked, I guess I put spaces in the description that shouldn't have been there.

Abbie,

Is there any "demonstrable" evidence that this is worth the effort, especially for those with thousands of images to edit? Percentage increase in search results? Maybe?

Rich

By jove, I think you've got it :)

Oh, and James, I don't think there's any problem with spaces BETWEEN the words you add (just not a space before the first word or after the last word). That would make the text you've added much more readable and, if I'm not mistaken, would help a search engine pick it up (since SE's are looking for text that is language logical).

Edited to delete erroneous info.

Nikolyn, Totally got confused with the whole process, thinking this was a permanent change to the embed code and not just for posting on FAA. Not the brightest "))

The embed code disappears from the Image description too.

Rich, according to Google themselves it does. From a logical perspective, it makes sense to do this. The content in the alt tag is directly associated with the image itself - it's in the same HMTL tag, while the text/context around the image could be something completely different and not as relevant.

https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/114016?hl=en

Continuing on this, I had a look at the alt and title that FAA uses on our profile and image pages. What I found was interesting:

On the profile page, the image's alt and title are "ImageTitle by Artistname"

On the actual image page, the image's alt and title are "FirstKeyword Photograph - ImageTitle by Artistname"

Example:

img itemprop="image" id="mainimage" src="https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/peek-a-boo-tom-schwabel.jpg" title="Usa Photograph - Hide And Seek by Tom Schwabel" alt="Usa Photograph - Hide And Seek by Tom Schwabel" onmousedown="javascript: return false;" onclick="javascript: previewimage();" style=""

So, this tells me I have been doing things ALL WRONG:
1. Titles to images have to be descriptive. It sounds to me like they are of even more importance than the description since it's what is actually added into the tags. I have been using fun and creative titles which may be more fun than descriptive titles but it's all but completely killed my ability to ranked in Google Images.
2. Keyword order matters! In particular the FIRST one is super important since it gets added into the alt tag.
3. If FAA is already adding specific alt information to the images displayed on our pages, can we make the embed code include the same???

I think everyone on here needs to learn about the importance of SEO. I certainly didn't appreciate it and it seems like that lack of appreciation has had profound implications on how I'm doing on here.

Rich

There is nothing to 'edit' You are not doing this on your image pages if you read my top post

You are doing this IF you share to a thread on this, or another site. Yes, it is obvious (again if you read my top post) why you should be doing this upon said shares

Next step is to post on other sites. :))

Abbie,

OOOKAY! That makes sense now, Should do this ANYTIME I post an image, somewhere OTHER than on FAA, is that right? So any of the FB groups or pages I belong to, I should "edit" this line of "code" and that will enchance Google's ability to see it and rank it for any searches that come up looking for whatever?

Tom,

Give me a minute, I need to get a step ladder, most of what you said was over my head! LOL! So for example, anytime I post to my own pages on FB, my own groups or pages:

https://www.facebook.com/RichFrancoCars/?ref=bookmarks

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1491076847888451/

https://www.facebook.com/Rich-Franco-Photography-228206364010797/

and my Instagram, Twitter, blogs,etc, SHOULD ALL HAVE THIS EDIT DONE?

Thanks Abbie and Tom and others.....old dog, new tricks....

Rich

Rich - yes, anytime you post an embed somewhere it seems you need to these edits to the embed code.

The rest of what I said was an important observation about how images are actually displayed on the FAA site. Your profile and image pages also display your photos with alt and title tags. These come from your image title and the FIRST keyword you have listed on the edit image page. I take that to mean it is of utmost important that you title your images descriptively and pay attention to keyword order. Otherwise you miss a chance for Google Images to index your profile and image sales pages appropriately.

I didn't think you could use these codes places like Facebook . . . more like on your personal web pages or blogs or something.

Abbie, please clarify . . . again, I'm sure as I imagine I've missed it or just forgotten or something :(

Okay, I'm trying this out to make sure I understand.

I'm taking the embed coding as it appears with my image:
a href='https://fineartamerica.com/featured/waiting-for-sunrise-selective-color-lori-kingston.html' img src='https://fineartamerica.com/displayartwork.html?id=28336602&width=250&height=188' alt='Photography Prints' title='Photography Prints' style='border: none;' /a

And changing it to read:
a href='https://fineartamerica.com/featured/waiting-for-sunrise-selective-color-lori-kingston.html' img src='https://fineartamerica.com/displayartwork.html?id=28336602&width=250&height=188' alt='man and dog watch sunrise prints by LoriPeace9Art for sale' title='man and dog watch sunrise prints by LoriPeace9Art for sale' style='border: none;' /a

I can't do that on the actual image page, so that it's saved there -- if I want to use it repeatedly, I'll have to save it as a text file. Let's hit "Post Reply" and see if this works! :)

Yay!

Yeah, I'm gonna have to keep a text file saved somewhere with embed codes if a way can't be added to pre-populate them with something useful.

"I didn't think you could use these codes places like Facebook . . . more like on your personal web pages or blogs or something"

Correct

Okay,

How is this different than, when I copy a link to my Pixels web site when I post an image somewhere? If my link gets people back to my image and the site/products, why isn't that just as good as this edit to the embed code?

And furthermore, HOW did I get the number ONE search result, ON GOOGLE, for this image? 1947 Ford Coca Cola Truck without knowing about this?

Rich

Read the thread.

Just so I understand correctly, do we put spaces between the words or not? Or does it not make a difference?

Yes you do. Like a proper sentence

Julie,

Look back at Abbie's original post where she gives examples. See this?

"In it you can see

alt='Art Prints' title='Art Prints'

See there are two there, both alt and title (for different browsers)

On this image I change it to

alt='texas longhorn being rounded up oil painting' title='texas longhorn being rounded up oil painting' "

Here you should notice that there is no space before Art and no space after Prints BUT there is a space between the two words.

She changed 'Art Prints' to 'texas longhorn being rounded up oil painting'

There is no space before texas and no space after painting, but there are spaces BETWEEN all the words. Otherwise she would just have a string of letters that looked like gibberish and the Search Engine would throw up its little hands and say, "I give up!" and walk away.

So I conclude that I if I put spaces between the words, it will be fine. I made up the stuff about the gibberish, but it makes sense to me.

Edit to add: oops, I was writing while Abbie was answering.

Got it thank you both!

Nikki, I by far prefer your answer LOL

Couldn't we save our new code farther down in the description That way it would be there to copy each time we wanted to post it.

Interesting observation, I can find many of my images ranked fairly high in Google based on searching words in the title. But I can't find them at all if I search based on the description. I don't know if that's because Google is weighting the title or the alt tag or both very high. But it seems as though the description simply isn't ranked very high in Google's algorithm.

It's a problem for me because I didn't use a literal description of the image in the title. I used creative fun title names that don't often have much to do literally with the image. Live and learn I guess.

Can we (should we) put our names in the Alt and Title?

Yes you can indeed and yes you should