So yesterday I tried to set up a page there, but got frustrated and took the mess I built down. Does anyone here have a Google+ artist page, is it worth it, and how the heck do you do it? Thanks for any help and advice y'all can give me. :)
I had trouble with it, too. And I'll have to admit that I still am not sure how it all works. From time to time, I will G+ other artists work or my own. But haven't totally gotten the hang of it yet. :-)
I find google+ very user friendly. and I am not that computer saavy....A lot easier to use than Facebook for sure...with a lot more features.. but a word of caution...Don't make the mistake I made...All of my circles were created under my personal profile...I had so many followers by the time I realized there is a business page..I wish there was a way to transition them over to my page...I created a page but never developed it...When you start up just circle your friends, coworkers, relatives and a followers you want to share with on a non art business matter...I think that is the reason so many people were complaining that they got gigged for "spamming" because they are posting and promoting artwork under their personal profile...I really like the way you can create circles in google+...With Twitter you have to create lists and it is a lot more time consuming and tedious....Twitter does not provide all of the necessary tools to build your site...You are pretty much forced to utilize a myriad of apps, some free, some not to develop it properly.
I really encourage you to develop google+ ..The difficult part with google+ or any social network for that matter is not creating it, but knowing how to promote and use it wisely.
I have Google+, but don't spend much time there. I do post something once in a great while when I remember I have an account. I find it confusing, even with their new layout and such. I don't understand the circles completely and have created only a couple to friend some people and get them in the right circles.
The circles help to identify and target people...I created an art/photography circle, music, yoga, web developers, health/fitness / writers, FAA Etc. whenever I follow someone I make sure to put him/her in the circle...Sometimes they may be in several circles. that way you can just get the feeds of specific targeted people, rather than being bombarded with everything..Also, when you want to share something, you can get it to the people who would be most interested in that post. What is for me confusing...is the Communities...I dont understand why communities were developed. ..what is the difference in circles/vs communities...seems redundant to me.
What bugs me about Google is how intrusive it is. When I signed up for Google+ last night, the page I was sent to had a "You Might Like" box on it, listing several suggestions. I looked at the suggestions and thought, "WTF? How does Google know this stuff? Has it been reading my mail or something?" I already have Ghostery and Do Not Track Me on my computer, but somehow Google knew that I'm interested in the Disney parks, plus My Little Pony Friendship is Magic (remember that T-shirt design I submitted to a contest not long ago?) I mean seriously, this is why I don't have a Facebook page. I don't like my data being used like that and my privacy being intruded upon. I guess I'm naive, maybe privacy no longer exists anymore, but jeez! Is this worth it? At least FAA doesn't track me everywhere. Yeesh.
JL, You can google "how to make a google plus page" for lots of page making tutorials.
Here is the google page creation area on google: https://plus.google.com/pages/create -- first select your category "arts" or whatever - then continue through the process - Some of the choices are not optimal; you just pick the best fit.
I think if G+ got on the ball and made it a tad more user friendly and relevant - they would really have a pretty neat social network. - sometimes having gimmicks takes away from functionality. But just like MySpace - my profile is there as it is one more way for search engines to find me- slowly they evolve for better use and function or disappear.
JL, regarding the privacy issue...It's a catch 22...what is good about it is that it allows for google to suggest people, circles etc to help you grow your business...Believe me, it helps when you are trying to obtain followers. They keep suggesting other like minded people for you to consider...Your profile is circulated throughout the google+community inviting people to join and follow you. This is basically free advertising for you to gain followers. The more information you give them, the better able they will be able to coordinate appropriate followers... Of all the social sites, I think they are the best and definitely the most professiona. The problem is having so many different sites makes it difficult to manage them all effectively.
JL, anything on google will be used for stats, suggestions, etc. - your emails, contacts, web surfing, are being scanned for data to offer you suggestions and also to suggest YOU to other people! - you can control some of it to a degree-
You can google key phrases to see how to remove yourself from certain tracking and suggestion tools - but then as Judy stated - if you are there for your business and for social, it helps connect you to other relevant users.
Relative to the personal/vs page option. I have seen threads here that suggested that the Page Option on google+ was never fully developed and accepted throughout the google+ community..I am not sure on that point..If so I believe it is because google was not clear in the beginning on making or having two distinct profile options.
.I just know I tried to import google+ in the Hoote Suite App...(This is an app that allows you to manage all of your social websites)..but I could not import google+ and I suspect it was because google+ will only allow for importation of a person's page, not personal profile ...?? I think what would have been prudent from the "get go" for google would have been for them to have qualified account holders form the beginning. They should have inquired about a person's objective...eg Are they joining for purely personal reasons to connect with family friends and to make new acquaintances ...or are they joining to promote a business...Then the account could have been setup properly at the onset....Maybe I am wrong, but I suspect all of the problems that have been reported by many here at FAA with respect to spam on google+, were probably generated because the person was trying to promote and sell art to a circle of " nutritionist" for example...Had it been on a "business page" ,, that circle would have been acceptable and not considered spam?!
I never understood yet the over protection of data.
Nothing has changed in the advertising/spam world. When I drive down the highway, there is a billboard every 300 feet. My mailbox is packed every day with spam. On my phone I get unsolicited calls all the time.
The Internet is a fairly new media and it is wonderful. I remember how much I had to spend for advertising in pre WWW times.
Data are collected since we invented paper. Dentists, doctors, government, when you register a car, everywhere .............. no Internet needed.
What has changed? I can network with people on the other side of the planet within seconds. If I have something for sale they can find me, thanks to the data Google and others store.
Many years ago, I had my cell phone cloned, my credit card twice, I got the money back within days. Before that people stole your wallet, all those things are existing for a long time.
If you use your common sense, you will be fine.
I love the Internet and the network possibilities that come with it FOR FREE and have nothing to hide.
Sometimes I feel some people are like the ones that thought the first steam engine was the devil.
This is 2013 and we are lucky to live in that exiting time of communication. We need to be open minded, nobody can sell anything to me unless I choose so, for the rest there is a delete button. We never had access to so much free stuff before the Internet, those sites need to make money too and therefore collect data, I prefer that to washing dishes for them.
Just my opinion of course .......................
When I visit those URL, I get a blank G+ page. Actually, with Firefox and IE, I see what appears to be the poster's page for second, then it's replaced with an empty page. With Opera, I see the blank page right away.
I am logged into G+ but apparently can't see these pages. I can see those of people who have me in 'circles'.
I've hardly used G+, so I know nothing; but why can't I view these pages just by clicking on the links?
Jim, it did the same for me...Her profile came up for a second then went blank! Gunter, I totally agree about the internet...We have so much access to so much information...Mind boggling really...It's like having a library in your home..!
Gunter- I agree- there is still much fear and folklore concerning the internet. I would worry more about having my purse snatched.. lol
One tip might be to use it as if it is your physical wallet or a direct link to your bank account or a stranger having access to you and your family. Yes it is social and fun, but it potentially leads to your personal info if a hacker figures out that your password is your kids birthdate (that you posted all over FB) - etc.
The internet is a great tool and has opened up commerce and networking to anyone that can punch the keyboard including children. People need to use common sense just as with where you might give access to your physical wallet bank account, or to your children. There are no "free" lunches.
Well, I just spend a frustrating afternoon (when I could have been doing much more important things) trying to create a custom banner for my Google+ page, instead of the dorky defaults Google offers, and couldn't do it. I guess I'll just use the Google+ button on my FAA page and leave it at that.
Have also just opened an account (well actually I seem to have two, one in my name and one in the business name, didn't want one in my name). Still trying to figure it out. Also when I add someone to my circle, wondering why it goes to my personal account and not the business one. Will have to go back and study it when I am in the right mood. I have done the banner though, so am one step ahead JL!
I signed up for G+ close to when it first started. After endless hours of frustration trying to find my way around and get my head around the illogical way the whole thing seemed to have been designed, I pretty much gave up. I couldn't fathom why Google would make something so challenging for people to get to grips with, especially if they were expecting to poach people from other social networking sites. I still have an account but I haven't visited it in months.
When I try to share one of my images from FAA, it keeps wanting to share it on my personel page and not the business page. Also when I add fellow artists they go to my personal page and not the business page. Am googling to try and work out how to change this, want to keep the private and business page seperate.
JL I think I located your site...Not sure what banner you are trying to use...Basically you just add a really nice photo that you feel best represents your artwork.... and the google wizards do a lot of prompting to help develop the page..Denise I have the same problem with Facebook.Trying to keep the two separate)..I keep having to "toggle" back to "Use as"...A real pain...I wish when you use a share button it would prompt which profile you want to post to..On the Google+, I imagine you need to make sure that you on the "page", when you want to share to it.
Since I am using my personal profile as "my page"...I am apprehensive about sharing images for fear I will be marked as a "spammer"! Others seem to do it and get away with it...I am just not sure about the "fine line" I guess.
JL this would make a great cover :
I didn't think much of Google+ at the beginning, just thought it was hopelessly trying to compete with Facebook, but now I think it is a great tool if you use it properly.
I have pages on the three top dogs of social networking: Facebook, Twitter and Google+.
I use Facebook as a social network to connect with friends and family, I have a Facebook Art Page too with over 500 'Likes' and surprisingly only 100 or so are likes from my friends, the other 400 are people from here, on FAA, and people who genuinely admire my art and what to keep up-to-date with it.
I use Twitter mainly to promote my art, I have only started using it properly over the last couple months to promote my art which is why I only have over 100 followers. I think Twitter is great for businesses and people to keep their followers up to date, but I do not think it is great for artists - people who want to share images of their artwork with their followers. This is the downside of Twitter for me, the Twitter news feed has tweets with limited characters and the images only show when you click on the tweet. I would prefer to scroll down an a news feed with lots of images and artwork already visible - this is where Google+ comes in:
I use Google+, not only to share and promote my art, but to get inspiration and creative ideas from all the amazing artwork I see on my news feed. I have 2 active Circles, the Friends Circle only has 5 people in it, the Artist Circle has over 1,400 people in it. This is because I am not interesting in connecting with my friends here (I use Facebook for that), Google+ for me has become an art community. I share my art with people who share their art too. In terms of promoting art, it wins over Twitter.
I have my G+ account for so long, but I just can't understand how it works. For example, I've tried to change my profile image a few times, but the upload is not working, so I gave up. But reading that article, I might give one more try.
What I don't like about social media set ups and updates, it takes so much time away from creating. But if I don't do it, how I can sell my works??...so off to G+ and I will try it again, wish me luck please ;)
Conor, there is a thread somewhere here, but I cant find it..Someone on FAA has found a way for your images to actually appear in your tweets.and they upload in your image file on Twitter...I cant seem to do it...Apparently it has to be done from your regular FAA site, not the AW...There is some function key, or privacy issue I suppose that prevents mine from displaying...I also think it is because I disabled auto posting to Twitter on the FAA site. (I wanted to choose when or if I wanted an upload to feed into Twitter. That may be the reason my images dont appear when I send a tweet from my profile page (using the share button or the Url)
If I can find the thread I will edit this and give you the link..
Marianna..Most of the failed uploads of images to google+ result when a file is too large. Trying resizing the profile image and see if that works..Also they have made allowance for much larger cover photos for your site too...You may want to explore that as well.
What I dont like about Twitter is that they dont give you all of the tools you need to manage your site...You are pretty much forced to use, or buy apps to effectively manage and successfully control your site.
EDIT.. Connor I found the link on the thread.
..http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=1285697.. I read through and still cannot get my images to appear or load in the image section of twitter.
Is this a page, or personal profile? Somehow it is hard to tell the difference on google+! You just need to gain new followers and submit your artwork ..If you have a regular profile and want to develop your page...you could share the link of your page and invite followers...
the same as you would on twitter or facebook...Some people have engaged "Hoote Suite" to manage all of the social networks...If you are skilled at it this would be a great tool to integrate your posts and manage your sites more effectively. Once you start to gain followers, google will start circulating your profile to help you gain others...At some point you can basically go on "autopilot...gaining new followers automatically...