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Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/09/2013 - 7:48 AM

I thought it might be fun to start a thread that deals with art trivia,and facts. Not being an art historian I'll start anyway. Van Gogh only sold one of his paintings in his life time. Then I heard it might have been two.


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Posted by: Mike Savad on 06/09/2013 - 8:17 AM

i heard van gogh had an ear for music, but then he gave it away.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Mary Bedy on 06/09/2013 - 9:03 AM

Boo, Mike

VanGogh was also the second Vincent to be born into the family exactly one year after the other infant Vincent who died at birth.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/09/2013 - 9:14 AM

Just saw the Turner /Tate exhibition in Canberra ( fact: nation Capitol),,,,mesmerised by his sketches in w'c.........he has to have been the first true abstract expressionist.....all very elementary, preliminaries for his great huge finished works....and stand alone as abstraction....amazing!



Posted by: Ricardo De Almeida on 06/09/2013 - 9:23 AM


Posted by: Kevin Callahan on 06/09/2013 - 12:21 PM

J. M. W. Turner is the first and the best painter to be known as "the painter of light." All others pale in comparison.

And...Ricardo: With a few Durchmen speaking their own language and a few "Britishers" mispronouncing Vincent's name, I do not think they will overcome 300 million Americans saying Van Go. We may be wrong but we are wrong collectively and there are more of us. Big smile.

Speaking of art history anyone watch Simon Schama's videos (the Power of Art) on eight famous artists? It is fantastic and I watch it often even though he has that bad British habit of saying Van Goff. Ha!


Posted by: JAXINE Cummins on 06/09/2013 - 12:29 PM

I just goggled painter of light and they gave me Thomas Kinkade.
As a commercial told me, the internet is always right. Dare I believe?


Posted by: Kevin Callahan on 06/09/2013 - 12:53 PM

Here is the first paragraph of Turner's Bio on Wiki:

Joseph Mallord William "J. M. W." Turner, RA (baptised 14 May 1775 – 19 December 1851) was a British Romantic landscape painter, water-colourist, and printmaker. Turner was considered a controversial figure in his day, but is now regarded as the artist who elevated landscape painting to an eminence rivalling history painting. Although renowned for his oil paintings, Turner is also one of the greatest masters of British watercolour landscape painting. He is commonly known as "the painter of light" and his work is regarded as a Romantic preface to Impressionism.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 06/09/2013 - 1:58 PM

I love this kind of thread because invariably I learn something new.

There is a quote from JMW Turner I just read which I have added to my list of favorites: "If I could find anything blacker than black, I'd use it." I find it wonderful that someone known as the painter of light would acknowledge darkness in such a way.


Posted by: Robert James Hacunda on 06/09/2013 - 3:39 PM

Turner Drank himself to death....and was a very unattractive man...


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/09/2013 - 5:25 PM

Maybe thats why he drank himself to death. Latrec' was short,and unattractive,but was devoted to prostitutes.


Posted by: Ricardo De Almeida on 06/09/2013 - 6:53 PM

Van Gogh, Toulouse-Lautrec and Salvador Dali are my favorites.

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Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/09/2013 - 7:27 PM

@RJ........"Nothing succeeds like excess" (Wilde)..........

@Kevin......thanks for that info........and, I also loved the time spent on this exhibition especially - saw the Tate - but this exhibit was revelationary - yes - black is so stunning..................Rebecca.

One of the conflicts in my household ever since I started doing Art, has been the backlash from family members because I spent so much time making charcoal pix and using so much 'black'..and its is so juicy when using real willow charcoal.......and gives such stunning fav "colour" !!!!!! (The family wanted 'pretty/colourful' - one has to remain defiant at all times, and, trrue to oneself.)
Or, in other words, dare I say.........'shades of gray', lol. A little 'study' from the early days..................

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Posted by: Rose Art on 06/09/2013 - 8:37 PM

Turner painted with atmospheric conditions in mind. Steam from trains, soot, fog, that crap in the air that often gives colour through refraction. Regarding black, or what different artists use as.......paintings without something to translate that shadow and all the places in between, (negative space) have little dimension. When I think of Turners paintings I don't see his use of dark as defining negative (or positive) space/shape that much. He is a very special case. Very synthesized and specific to atmospheric conditions in my mind and eye.

Totally agree Viv, Turner as first true abstract expressionist..


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/09/2013 - 8:42 PM

@RoseArt.... I must be I thought so much about you - and here you are.........welcome.......and glad we agree.....I totally respect your knowledgeable input.....Cheers/V


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/09/2013 - 8:44 PM



Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/09/2013 - 10:13 PM

Turner died in his mid 70s in 1851. I saw nothing about drinking himself to death. At that age in 1851,I'd call that dying of old age.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/09/2013 - 10:19 PM

George washington had several portraits done of himself. The one done by Stuart thats also on the dollar bill was one he didn't like.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 4:32 AM

Van Goghs mother used several of his works as patches for a hog pen.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 4:42 AM

Leonardo Davinci, and Michaelangelo were contemporaries,though Davinci was the elder. They did not like each other.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/10/2013 - 6:50 AM

Familiar story.


Posted by: Patricia Cleasby on 06/10/2013 - 9:35 AM

One of Matisse's models became a nun, and it upset him greatly. I just watched a documentary about him last night...


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 10:46 AM



Posted by: Phyllis Wolf on 06/10/2013 - 10:53 AM

The very first formula for painting:
Build fire.
After awhile...
Let cool.
Put hands in ashes.
Go in cave.
Apply soot to wall with fingers.
Draw big hunt.


Posted by: Robert James Hacunda on 06/10/2013 - 11:47 AM

no one just dies of "old Age" something has to go wrong.. Turner drank heavily and was said to have been found days after his death alone in his house by a house keeper..


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 11:51 AM

The question is who didn't drink heavily in 1851.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 2:59 PM

George washington. Went on excursions. Looking for landscapes to decorate the white house.


Posted by: John Crothers on 06/10/2013 - 3:07 PM

I was taught that Van Gogh probably didn't commit suicide, rather, he was protecting some young punks in the neighborhood that accidentally shot him.


Posted by: Robert James Hacunda on 06/10/2013 - 3:51 PM

Okay, just relating stories I had heard..he was a bit of a celebrity that people mistook for a common drunk, not everyone was even in 1851 but I'll stay out of it...


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 6:34 PM

I never heard of turner until I started this discussion.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 7:29 PM

Hitler was a failed artist.


Posted by: David Bishop on 06/10/2013 - 7:37 PM

Hitler was a failed human being


Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 06/10/2013 - 7:43 PM

You had never heard of Turner?! My FAVourite artist of all time apart from Constable :D


Posted by: David Bishop on 06/10/2013 - 7:47 PM

George Bush is the only painter President that painted a nude self portrait


Posted by: Evie Carrier on 06/10/2013 - 7:51 PM

Salvador Dali had a brother with the same name. His brother died very young and he felt like his older brother was the real one and he was a forgery.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 8:03 PM

A nude of George w? I knew he painted,but I didn't know that. I wonder if he exaggerated a certain part.


Posted by: H Drew on 06/10/2013 - 8:03 PM

Michelangelo was a protestant sympathizer and would have been considered a multi millionaire many times over by today's standards.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/10/2013 - 8:13 PM

JMWT - Start here.........

Art History - Timeline ........Start here............allow a lifetime to study/learn


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/10/2013 - 8:25 PM


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 8:34 PM

Ulysses s Grant,and Winston Churchill were both good artists.


Posted by: Brian Wallace on 06/10/2013 - 9:09 PM

Name some celebrities past or present that paint pictures... A few off the top of my head are Red Skelton, Henry Fonda, Viggo Mortensen, Gary Burghoff.


Posted by: Roger Swezey on 06/10/2013 - 9:18 PM

I'm hesitant in adding my 2 cents to this thread, in the fear that I certain gentleman now living in Viv's adopted country, will come in and debunk everything I might write..

.And a bit of warning to All..., He Will Show Up!!, Be on the Alert!!


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/10/2013 - 9:21 PM

People do die of old age, but a gasket or hose usually blows, because it gets old. That is if you are lucky and haven't abused yourself too much.

What is the difference between a common and uncommon drunk?

Hitler was indeed a failed human being. Evil. But his watercolours were not horrible.

George Bush's self portrait in the shower was of his back mostly. A very uninspiring viewpoint/jumping off point for any composition. His paintings of dogs look like dogs. It is interesting to me that he paints at all.

Beth yes, Constable is amazing. I can see from your recent endeavors that he might be your muse at the moment?

edit: I am interested and curious Roger, what Aussie who?


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/10/2013 - 9:22 PM

Tony Curtis, and Henry Fonda were artists.


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/10/2013 - 9:57 PM

Check out Toni Bennett's New York city-scapes. Seriously, some are in the Smithsonian.

Joni Mitchel from Saskatoon paints and sells
Toller Cranstan from Hamilton Ontario, men's National Figure Skating Champion in the 70's paints and sells.

Whether or not anyone would ever see any of their work if they were not otherwise branded is questionable (the same with Larry's examples)

Mary Cassatt, American Impressionist, one of the few? edit: female painters of that time.
The only.
No husband, no children, unfettered.


Posted by: Roger Swezey on 06/10/2013 - 10:27 PM

To those who asked:

Never said he was an Aussie


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/10/2013 - 10:32 PM

So sorry Roger. I misread. You said, now "living" in viv's adopted country.


Posted by: CAROLE SPANDAU on 06/11/2013 - 12:22 AM

Love Constable and Turner too..Turners skies are magnificent, Constables trees are unmatchable.. John Carlson comes close!
thanks Rose ART about Toller Cranston..He joined us here and is a member oF Faa! I actually went to Ecole Des Beaux Arts with Toller, in the late teenagers,before he was famous! but he was an excellent figure skater even back then too. He took alot of modele vivant (figure sketching classes)with our wonderful Drawing Professor Rene Chicoine,, Toller and I were classmates for about 3 years during those Expo 67 days..
always knew he would do great things with his life...extremely creative person he is!


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/11/2013 - 12:30 AM

I can't find Toller here Carole, can you post a link?


Posted by: CAROLE SPANDAU on 06/11/2013 - 12:35 AM

Oh maybe he quit, I remember that he even had joined my group..back about 2 years ago.


Posted by: CAROLE SPANDAU on 06/11/2013 - 12:39 AM

Rose Art, I just checked, and he seems to be gone.. he may return one day!


Posted by: CAROLE SPANDAU on 06/11/2013 - 12:45 AM

Hi again,Rose Art..Actually this is Toller Cranston's Page here, he certainly did have a lot oF paintings posted, I commented on several..
but his gallery is currently empty..though he is still a member here,here is the link..


Posted by: H Drew on 06/11/2013 - 7:53 AM

Da Vinci's first memory was that of a bird landing in his crib while he was in it.


Posted by: Nathalie Chavieve on 06/11/2013 - 12:20 PM

Leonardo Da Vinci skillfully played the lyre. When the court heard the case of Leonardo in Milan, he figured there just as a musician, not as an artist or inventor


Posted by: Ken Krug on 06/11/2013 - 12:31 PM

El Greco criticized Michelangelo's abilities as a painter.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/11/2013 - 4:28 PM

Davinci said Michaeljangelo's people in his art looked like a bag of walnuts.


Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 06/11/2013 - 4:35 PM

Rose Art

I am going for a little of both I think. But am all stormed out now lol


Posted by: H Drew on 06/11/2013 - 7:06 PM

Rene Descartes was an artist, a philosopher, and a mathematician;
his philosophy was to doubt everything.


Posted by: H Drew on 06/11/2013 - 7:11 PM

Richard Feynman could draw beautifully


Posted by: Rose Art on 06/11/2013 - 9:07 PM

wiki copy and pasting, "Richard Phillips Feynman was an American theoretical physicist known for his work in the path integral formulation of quantum mechanics."
Died in 88, received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965. "He developed a widely used pictorial representation scheme for the mathematical expressions governing the behavior of subatomic particles, which later became known as Feynman diagrams."

I didn't know he had talent as an artist

Goes to show that artists aren't all right brain necessarily.


Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/12/2013 - 3:45 AM

Andy Warhol was a hoarder.


Posted by: David Crowell on 06/12/2013 - 7:13 AM

John Lennon was not a bad artist on paper.

Joni Mitchell drew the cover for CSNY's "So Far" album.

American blacksmithing legend Francis Whittaker died with his hammer in his hand.


Posted by: H Drew on 06/12/2013 - 9:11 AM

Richard Feynman also played the bongos.
At the university, we would listen to lectures of his from Cal. Tech.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/12/2013 - 8:10 PM

From “The Times” about the colour Red, in paintings:
Many Auction Houses agree:
“It varies from artist to artist, but I think red is probably the most desireable colour you can get in art,full stop”
June 13,2013 “The Australian” newspaper

Unabashed self-promotion..........

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Posted by: Larry Lamb on 06/12/2013 - 9:26 PM

Red and green are great for catching your eye. They are complimentary colors. Nice work Vivian.:-)


Posted by: Philip Sweeck on 06/12/2013 - 9:35 PM

Charlie Chaplin once lost in a Charlie Chaplin look - alike contest.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 06/12/2013 - 10:40 PM

Thank you Larry. Ain't RED wonderful. !!!

Go figure re Charlie!!


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