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In the future, people will look at this day and it will be remembered.
The problem is a very complicated one and the solutions are even more complicated and onerous, but must be faced and acted upon.
If we all can work to at least contain our carbon footprint and not increase it and hopefully even reduce it and "we" being humans, then the tide may be turned, if not, the future for our children and they're children looks very bleak indeed,
I agree Rich. People who brush it under the carpet are becoming less and less thank goodness. Finally people are listening
Everyone in the world can do something. It is not just a government issue. Smaller cars with less emissions. Walking to pick the kids up from school rather than driving. Sharing cars where possible for trips. Walking to the shop instead of driving. Not getting plastic bags but using re-usables. Disposing of all waste carefully. re-using where possible anything you can.
So many other tiny ways that, if everyone did them, we could really make a difference that would not only help the world as a whole but the individual doing it healthwise etc
Okay I will shuttup. I know what most people in this forum think of my environmental concerns unfortunately so I am going to keep them for arenas more suited
But, I will say that the more we push our governments to take action the better! Small term money benefits may be great for them but you cannot spend money when you are dead.
Abbie, I completely agree with you. I try not to get emotionally invested in the general discussion about global warming, etc. because those who dismiss anything like this just don't get it and I tend to get frustrated and angry. It's the mind set that we only live here about 79-90 years on average so why should we care?
Well said, Abbie. If every one of us just made little adjustments to our wasteful ways, it would add up, I think. I'm considering moving from the pristine countryside with its crispy-clean air to a small town where, even though small, I'll be breathing in gas emissions. However, I'll be using my car less and walking more. One of this, one of that.
The problem is very real but there is nothing that can be done. We can slow it a bit but the use of fossil fuels will continue. All the disastrous predictions will come true and that has been the fate of the earth since the first coal mine.
It disturbs me that many of my neighbors do not recycle. Here in Orange County FL. (I Think Rich is in this county too), they take so many items for recycling we often have only 1 tall
kitchen bag every week or less (2 people). All my vegetable scraps, coffee grinds, etc. go to a compost bin that I use for potting soil. Things have gotten so bad. I saw a show called
"naked survivor". The guy was on a beautiful remote island in the south pacific. There was so much trash on the island that he used for pots, pans etc. that he hardly had to make anything.
Even if you're hard-pressed to do everything that's possible, you can pick one thing and do it consistently. Even if it's a tiny thing, a bunch of tiny things together eventually add up to a larger thing.
I used to buy a soda everyday for lunch. I realized that by bringing my own cup to the convenience store everyday I kept over 300 styrofoam cups from going into the trash every year.
That was enough to fill my whole car up with cups!
Chris, that reminds me of the time my husband and daughter and I were driving through Yosemite toward the exit, and my husband glanced in the rear-view mirror and said the woman driving behind us was throwing plastic water bottle after plastic water bottle out the window of her car. We were going to turn her in at the exit, but she turned off before we got there. Makes me LIVID. She was to f***ing lazy to stop at a gas station to empty her car? And how about the fact that they've closed off a large portion of Joshua Tree because some idiot losers are tagging the rocks and actually destroying some of the ancient petroglyphs!!!
Sorry, Rich, I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I just don't get it. Some people just treat the environment like a rubbish bin. What's wrong with people????
I'm with you on that! We don't buy water anymore. Iv'e got a filter under the sink and then that get's poured into a 2 1/2 Gal. Brita container in the frig,which we use for drinking and ice cubes, don't use the ice maker any more,
There is ALWAYS something we can do and if we consider this important, which a few here obviously don't, then we can change small things we do that contribute to the overall problem. The big issues can only be handled by governments and that will happen when we keep the pressure on them and keep them focused. As China and India grow and obtain more cars, the problem will get worse, as it is today, but we can help, by letting our government elected officials know, this is a top prority, maybe the highest, since it affects every human on the planet and it needs to be treated that way and soon.
People that adopt, "we can't do anything,it's too big" are either under-educated about this or lazy/selfish and will continue their lifestyles, because they can! We all know people like that and I just grit my teeth when I see them doing things, just because they can and can afford to do them.
We are,as a nation, doing dumb things to our environment and at some point,there will be payback. We're "fracking" because it's cheap and easy,regardless of what it's doing to our aquifers.
I have a friend, whose son is an engineer up in the Dakota Oil fields and they have thousands of wells working up there, fracking wells and there is so much natural gas coming up from these wells, but no way to contain it or ship it, they just burn it off, every well 24/7 and he told me the light is so bright at night, that it now can be seen from Space! And this is out in the middle of nowhere. So they do it,because they can, it's not right or good, but it's profitable for them.
And trees and virgin forests will continue to disappear because everyone needs another strip mall.
Re: Tossing trash out of cars: Riding with my friend one afternoon, we see a passenger in a Lexus toss his water bottle onto the road directly in front of us. A guy in a van in the right lane started yelling at him and we, who were in the center lane, stopped and picked up the bottle (we were at a red light), went up to the car (he was in the left lane) and handed it back to him with a "I believe you dropped this back there". He was so dumbfounded, he muttered a "thanks" and took it before they tore outta there. LOL
Don't mess with bikers.
Good for you Louise. In hindsight, I should have told my husband to stop in the middle of the road so she would have had to stop so we could get out and yell at this person, but I'm just thinking of that now.
I hope whoever it is got fined for littering somewhere so she will think about it twice now.
I watched another idiot drive over a young alligator in the Everglades once when we got out to take pictures of it. The guy behind us who had pulled over as well said he was going to get a stick and try and coax it off the road....then this jerk comes by and just kills it. It was a juvenile - like 3 feet long, so there is no way he could have missed it in the middle of the day in the middle of the road.
I'm going to just read the thread now - no more comments because I'm in danger of becoming obnoxious because this stuff makes me so mad.
Concerns for the environment are still very new. Industrialized nations are just circling the wagons. Individually, more progress has been made than we realize.
This clip shows an upper middle class family in a public park in the 1960s. Very typical, normal, socially acceptable behavior. Today, most of us would never think of doing this and would be surprised to see it:
I know that's just a show, but that was horrible!
When my spouse and I both smoked and would go to the beach, I swear we were the only ones who cleaned up every last butt we might have snuffed before we left. It took me a while to train him to stop tossing the empty packs out his car window. If I see someone else do it, I blow the horn at them. I once spotted a school girl toss her paper bag on the street. I stopped my car, called her over and told her to go back and get it, that there's a garbage can right there, use it. She did. :D
I still see people behave like this. I first learned about pollution in school in the early 1970's. Later in chemistry class I learned that you can't keep dumping chemicals in a bottle
without a reaction (much like the earth).
"Everyone in the world can do something. It is not just a government issue. Smaller cars with less emissions. Walking to pick the kids up from school rather than driving. Sharing cars where possible for trips. Walking to the shop instead of driving. Not getting plastic bags but using re-usables. Disposing of all waste carefully. re-using where possible anything you can. "
Yes, but the simplest thing as you know is to stop consuming meat, which as an industry does a lot more harm than all the cars combined.
You can find something to suit every opinion on the internet.
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This American Life had did a show on climate change last week. Not really climate change, but about the people who work around or with people who don't believe in climate change. Nothing can happen until a strong majority of us are up to date, and we are far from that. The second story, about a Republican thrown out of office and booed or laughed at when he mentions climate change may be a good example of how far we have to go:
Permafrost has been a problem parts of Alaska a long time. In Fairbanks where I was there was a section of road they'd been forced to repave for years, to the point one summer they decided to do the job right, and they dug nearly 30 feet of blacktop out of the ground, along with any permafrost they could find, they put down some insulation, a whole bunch of dry gravel, and resurfaced it. The road has been great ever since.
And in my short time there (geologically short that is), I saw a lot of changes, from permafrost being a major issue when I arrive, to not being as big an issue when I left. I also saw glaciers that once filed lakes with ice, permanently grounded on bedrock by the time I left, and not caving at all. That was in 20 years.
Someone at one point even compared the amount of ice lost on the Columbia glacier in the last 30 years (which at one point prevented such a big hazard to oil tanker traffic that they considered installing canons to blow apart the floating ice), to the equivalent of a hundred thousand super tankers filled with water. Don't think anything close to that much oil has been pulled out of Valdez in the last 30-40 years. That is an equivalent to a section of ice about 9 miles long, 3 miles wide and a several hundred feet deep that has been lost.
And that's the funny thing. Some might look at what's going on in Alaska as a counter argument to global warming, but at least in some scenarios I can see where global warming can produce colder conditions. Like more snow pack in mountains which may actually speed up glacier growth rather than the other way around. And there are actually some cases in Alaska where glaciers are growing, but they are the rare exception.
Good program and I try to listen to it every weekend, will pulling weeds!!! I didn't here this one yet, but will later, thanks!
If some space guy was out there watching our planet and all the changes being made and the resulting issues being created here on Earth, by both the natural changes and the things that we humans are contributing, he would say we are all nuts! We need to stop, everything else and secure this planet for us and future generations and all this short term stuff, politics and war, can wait!
Did you hear anything about the potential "methane" gas problem?
Sorry for the religious input. I hope I do not offend anyone. But the houses in the caves and under the ground just brought this Bible prophecy concerning the “last days” to my mind. I thought it was quite interesting. No need to attack me as I am signing out............................
People will flee to caves in the rocks and to holes in the ground from the fearful presence of the LORD and the splendor of his majesty, when he rises to shake the earth.
I remember reading an article about the glaciers on Mount Shasta, near where I live. They are growing, not shrinking, and scientists say it's also due to climate change. Apparently, the climate around here has been getting drier, and so the glaciers do not receive the amount of rainfall and subsequent yearly melt that they used to, therefore they grow. Although this year the snowpack is at record low levels and the rains are also less than normal, so drought is likely this summer.
I thought about it, Rich, and A) the Lord hasn't risen to shake the Earth, while B) If one person out of seven billion digging a hole in the ground is enough to fulfil your prophecy, then the standard of proof required is rather trivial. Have you heard about the troglodytes in southern Spain who have been living in holes in the ground since time immemorial? http://www.andalucia.com/guadix/home.htm
Come on Rich. I can’t believe at your age that you’re buying into the “new age BS”. What the heck do you want to do? Do you really want to create windmills and freak’n solar panels to make the economy work? And in the end of this discussion this is what it is really all about................. HAPPY MEMORABLE DAY................................
Yes I guess I do want people to have jobs, clean jobs, building solar panels and "giving" them to anyone that will use them, have them installed by this program, install new electric meters, that can run both ways, in and out, and start creating energy and like a virus, spread across the United States. If the Government decided that today, let's start "Rich's" program, we could have thousands of people working by the end of the summer and these would be mostly good paying jobs, manufacturing, installations, electrical and roofing, and then maintenance of these systems. In a few years, all this "need" for Nuclear Power would go away, with all the toxic side effects that Nuclear brings to the table.
Here in Florida, every condo/hotel/resort on the coast of the Atlantic and/or the Gulf, should have a wind turbine system on it's roof. There is almost always wind coming on or off shore here and yet there are very few.
We know, as a Nation what we should do, we just are "hoping" things will get better, on their own and being influenced "religious groups", where they have no business being involved with science, but because they rely on a fictional book and it's fictional god, they help to "muddy up the waters" for others.
And using the term "New Age BS" is no different than me now asking you, "are you really falling for this Bible BS?". How's that different? Because YOU believe in it, that makes it wrong for me to not believe in it?
For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2 Peter 1:16
And the reason that I respect the earth but do not go head over heels for the “Mother Earth” nonsense is because...........................................
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
He's right, Patricia, there's so much stuff in the Bible - topped up with 2,000 years of apologetics - that it will fit anything he can possibly want it to - particularly if just having one man dig a house into a hillside is sufficient to vindicate the prophecy he quoted to start with.
I respect apologetics very much Paul. Although conversion starts with the “heart” not at the end of a sword. I also do not believe that that scripture was referring to the common folks. It is obviously referring to the world leaders and if you do not believe that they have a back up plan then you really do have your head in the sand. Who is being foolish now!!
Paul if you read scripture in context you will not be so confused. I am not going to go into a Bible study on this post because of FAA rules nor will I let you play semantics with me. Have a good day and enjoy the post. Over and out. LOL
Your book, when viewed by others, not involved with your own personal interpretation of this fictional book, is just one of millions of these story books. Because you believe, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong, as I've said before, that's a conceit. There are many World religions that consider your book, a good book, just not anything written by the hand of a god.
Here's a short story, maybe even a parable:
I was walking down a wooded trail the other day and noticed this fellow, sitting with a few large rocks in his lap and then he layed them down and stared at them. I was busy looking for images for my FAA site and didn't bother him or ask what was he doing. Later, when I returned and headed back to the parking lot, he was still there and still staring!
Well, I had time now, and I'm one to ask and inquire about stuff, so I did.
"Excuse me sir, but I noticed you have been sitting here for over an hour and staring at these rocks, is there anything wrong?" , I asked.
"No, not at all, just waiting for it to happen" the man said.
"Well, what exactly are you waiting to have happen?, I asked again.
"The rocks, the rocks should fly!" said the man
"Uh, these rocks right here?"
"Yes, of course, these rocks right here. Haven't you ever seen rocks before?" The man replied.
"Of course I've seen rocks, lots of rocks, but what's so special about these rocks?"
" These rocks have been passed down through my family and they are the ones that will fly someday and I'm just waiting,don't want to miss that, would you?"
" Uh, these rocks have been passed down and they're special and about to fly?"
"Yes, yes, are your ears plugged or something? I'm a Rocktarian and we believe that rocks can fly!"
"Rocktarian, never heard of that group, but I did donate once to the "Rotarians", I said, using my sharp wit!
"Are you making fun of my religion young man!!!??? What gives you the right to make fun like that? Our Book, which is many hundreds of years old, and cherished by thousands, clearly states that our rocks, our family rocks will someday fly and that's not something to make fun of!!!"
"I'm sorry if it appears that I'm questioning your religion, but it's a fact that rocks do not fly, or even move for that matter, since rocks were first, well, rocks!" I responded
"I don't like your tone, young man and you should apologize for belittling my sacred religion!" The man sputtered.
"Well, it's just no one has ever seen rocks flying and it's a bit preposterous to even think that rocks can fly! I mean, have you ever seen any rocks fly yourself?" I questioned.
" Of course not, the time isn't right, like the Book says, but it's coming and I don't want to miss this when it happens."
"Well, uh, how long have you been a Roctarian then and waiting for this to happen?", I queried
"Not long, about 40 years!"
"40 years!, You've been carrying around these rocks and staring at them for 40 years?"
"No, maybe ten years earlier I wasn't ready to be the one to carry my family's rocks, so maybe altogether, 50 years, give or take." he said with a proud look on his face.
"How much longer will you stay out here, all night?"
"Of course not and if you read THE Book, you'd know, 6:23 pm is the time that rocks won't fly anymore for that day.What, you think I'm a nut? DWTS is on tonight and I never miss that show!"
I waved goodby and walked back to my car, pondering what people think and believe in and how, sometimes, ideas get adopted and then massaged, and bent and turned, until barely recognizable, from the original concept, be good to yourself and others and never assume that your concept of life, death and maybe even an afterlife, is the right one or even the only one to follow.
But I smiled and knew the old man was right about at least one thing that he said to me today, it's Tuesday night and the finale for Dancing With The Stars was on in a few hours!!!
It was just Christ who was for the common people, not necessarily those who read the bible.
I think eventually very few people will be able to use cars for much more than going to work. The average income is roughly $40,000 but the median...the mid point...is roughly $26,500. Adjusted for inflation the average persons wage has declined by 1% while those making $380,000 had their income increase by 33% in the same 1988-2008 period. This trend is likely to continue as jobs are replaced by automation or shipped overseas. Even service jobs are being replaced by automation. Just try talking to a person on the phone in most companies.
It'd be nice if most cars were being replaced by hybrids at least but the cost is prohibitive unfortunately as are all things most helpful or healthy.