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Why You Can't Do What You Want On Fine Art America

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/08/2013 - 11:27 PM

There have been lively debates lately about rules, policies, etc. on Fine Art America.

Reading it all, I have been surprised that the focus of debate is about the specific rule or policy, and that a much larger point is being overlooked. And that larger point goes well beyond any single policy.

http://fineartamerica.com/blogs/why-you-cant-do-what-you-want-on-fine-art-america.html

 

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Posted by: Tom Druin on 05/08/2013 - 11:37 PM

glad you did not use images to get your point across ....

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/08/2013 - 11:39 PM

Hmmm. Interesting comment. Never thought of it. But yea, now that I understand your reference, I agree!

 

Posted by: Conor OBrien on 05/08/2013 - 11:41 PM

Nice analogy!

 

Posted by: Ann Powell on 05/08/2013 - 11:44 PM

There are lots of private companies that do change their rules and policies due to "pressure" put on them by their customers to make a change. So, while I agree it is immature to have a tantrum about it, I can see why people do express their disagreements, and/or request for changes to policies. I do believe that there have been changes made based on reasonable input from customers here.

 

Posted by: Christine Till on 05/08/2013 - 11:48 PM


Oh Dan ..... you're so desperate, and sometimes you're trying too hard ... you certainly don't miss a single chance to get your name out, no matter what !!

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/08/2013 - 11:56 PM

@ Christine:
"Oh Dan ..... you're so desperate ... you certainly don't miss a single chance to get your name out, no matter what !!"

Christine,

I hope you were joking about that. If not, it's somewhat, well..."trollish"

There was no attempt to "get my name out."

I am here to sell art. If I was going to do anything at all in the "promotional" arena, it would certainly be associated with my work, and images would be included. And it certainly would not be buried in an in-house blog on FAA.

 

Posted by: Dan Turner on 05/09/2013 - 12:08 AM

I'm pretty sure she meant to say "Mike Savad" but fell into the wrong thread.

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Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 12:11 AM

@Dan

LOL. Funny, but the same thought ran across my mind (and yes, I like mike).

But let's add to it JC.

You know, all those "desperate" people in the forums making too many posts.

You know, all those "desperate" people that basically sell every day.

 

Posted by: Christine Till on 05/09/2013 - 12:16 AM


Hahahaha ... to both of you :-)
You definitely know me too well, especially you, Dan ;-)

Anyway, I truly believe you're too good for this kind of threads and blog posts, Dan.

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 12:19 AM


Christine,

Well, a little confused here. Don't know what you mean by that. I'm just a person who has always had the burden of speaking my opinion.

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 12:20 AM

Besides, I can't post threads that contain images to promote myself because I'll get jumped on by Dan! LOL! (wink, wink dan)

 

Posted by: Christine Till on 05/09/2013 - 12:20 AM


So did and do I, Dan.

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 12:23 AM


Besides, I have grown tired of jousting at windmills. FAA has its problems, but it is a good place, I sell here, and it is comprised of some really great people.

 

Posted by: Dan Turner on 05/09/2013 - 12:36 AM

"Besides, I can't post threads that contain images to promote myself because I'll get jumped on by Dan!"

I like the discussions. Look at the ground we've covered just today: masturbating women, advertising your work, rock 'n roll, photojournalism, license negotiations, suing the pants off people vs the golden rule, Adobe subscriptions. I get none of that in the image threads. Nada.

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Posted by: Christine Till on 05/09/2013 - 12:36 AM


Of course it's a good place, Dan, and of course it's comprised of some really GREAT people.
Otherwise I would not be here.

But there is a fine line between great people and simple (and sometimes sick) exhibitionism, but obviously only I can see it. So just disregard my post.

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 1:21 AM

@Christine
"but obviously only I can see it"

Sounds like the old "the whole world is wrong, but I'm right" philosophy.

Perhaps that's not the case. Perhaps the world is right and it is your perceptions that are flawed, skewed, and biased.

 

Posted by: Deborah Verhoeven on 05/09/2013 - 9:48 AM

Your blog posting makes sense to me.

 

Posted by: Jenny Armitage on 05/09/2013 - 9:59 AM

Actually, one of the biggest differences between FAA and much other private business web-space, is that even if you can't do whatever you want, you do get to, " flail your arms and legs about and throw a hissy fit," on the forum almost indefinitely. On most sales sites anything like a complaint is shut down pretty early on the forums. I think Sean must subscribe to the Dr. Spock method of child/artist raising. ;)

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 05/09/2013 - 10:03 AM

I'm laughing hysterically right now. Thank you, Dan. This was long overdue.

 

Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/09/2013 - 10:07 AM

If you don't like the rules here - as I said to 19 year old boy child - the door is there - go make a place for yourself - and he did. Poor child has had his ups and downs with life - but which of us has not. I'm sure that there are printers that are only too willing to take on a new venue and make some more money off of your ruleless POD site.

and to each of us - the whole world IS wrong and we are right. but most often - we have to just grin and bare it.

 

Posted by: Tony Reddington on 05/09/2013 - 10:09 AM

doctor spock? thought he was an alien

 

Posted by: H Drew on 05/09/2013 - 10:16 AM

"Why You Can't Do What You Want On Fine Art America"
Now Dan, that depends on what you want to do does it not? many of FAA members do exactly what they want to do on FAA.
BTW, your blog is right on target:)

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 10:33 AM

Hello Dan, I call it expressing yourself, freedom of speech as long as the comments remain in context. I joined in October I think and there were a few discussion threads and some of my comments where zapped! I can not help but laugh because I remember saying once the discussion threads some of them reminded me of the old aol chat forums.....

 

Posted by: JC Findley on 05/09/2013 - 10:53 AM

Oh, cool, an image sharing thread...

This is my latest, please buy it now.

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This is specifically for the censors, as she is nude and I will be adding porn to the keywords, and for Roger, because he will see I have not yet acknowledged the sculptor but I am trying to figure out who did it and where it is from....

Did I mention I will give a 1% discount?

 

Posted by: Christine Till on 05/09/2013 - 11:13 AM


LOL, JC. Good one!

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Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 1:36 PM

I was once told on another photo site a woman described my photo with the spanish word for Veg. as posted by Abbie. As an example I have posted my photo of forks here in this forum..., in the instance on the other site because of what the other artist commented about my submission generated so much attention from her comment, the photo attained the recognition it deserved. My comment was it was a form of advertising and advertising is a form of commercial art or a photo, it generates business, without it where would the economy be globally....I have not heard that expression in many years we would say here in New Orleans All meat and no potatoes......lol

here is the photo in question......


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Posted by: Janine Riley on 05/09/2013 - 1:57 PM

This has been most entertaining.

I will never look at a Lunch Menu quite the same again. "Meats & 2 veggies". Lol.

Ya'll are the best. Great Blog Dan.

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 2:05 PM

Hello Janine, great comment, I have a beautiful set of silver forks, with mother of peal handles.....lol

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 2:08 PM

@ Mike did the matter of your being banned from google ever get lifted because of your method of approach selling your work....I have not noticed any comment back from you about that.....your personal situation is a good example.....

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 2:12 PM

@Dan, personally I think all your discussion threads have certainly brought anot of interest to you personally, a potential client may see them and may generate more business than you can imagine.....

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/09/2013 - 2:23 PM

banned forever from google plus, but seeing as i didn't stop getting sales, anything that i got must have been a coincidence. they gave me a vague list of rules of what it might have been so who knows what it was. i remember getting into an argument with one person there, banned her, and for all i know she complained and it went down then. no idea, and no way to correct my actions. oh well.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Dan Carmichael on 05/09/2013 - 2:55 PM

@Michael
"@Dan, personally I think all your discussion threads have certainly brought anot of interest to you personally, a potential client may see them and may generate more business than you can imagine....."

LOL. You've got a great sense of humor, Michael! LOL!

Seriously... I do not do it for sales. Yes, there may be some help here on FAA, but I remain convinced that potential buyers do not spend time looking at groups, reading forum posts, etc. People don't have time. If somebody wants an image for their new beach house, they jump on an art site, enter "lighthouse" into the search, do the transaction, and get on with their life.

I honestly believe that more can be accomplished if time and effort is spent in promotions outside of FAA. Any time spent here is probably better spent elsewhere.

That is why I asked about the benefits of forum posting in a thread created days before this one. I am not convinced many buyers have the desire, nor the time, to read these forums. If they are interested in any particular artist(s), they would be more likely to read the artist's blog to learn more about them, than they would be searching thru a forum looking for random posts here and there.

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 3:00 PM

@Mike that always is in the back of my mind, someone with your high standards and reputation as a superior artist because of a rule that just seems unjust and seems somehow can be reversed...FAA promotes me on Facebook, and I download my work for everyone to see there.....and other have promoted me on google, but I fear of self promoting my work there because of your experience with them.....its baffling.....you would think they would have something like amnesty.....

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 3:02 PM

@Dan that is exactly correct it all boils down to the potential client typing in a keyword and moving on with there life......

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 3:02 PM

@Dan that is exactly correct it all boils down to the potential client typing in a keyword and moving on with there life......

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 3:02 PM

@Dan that is exactly correct it all boils down to the potential client typing in a keyword and moving on with there life......

 

Posted by: R Allen Swezey on 05/09/2013 - 3:08 PM

JC,

Adolph Alexander Weinman (American, 18701952). Night, Clock Figure from Pennsylvania Station, 31st to 33rd Streets between 7th and 8th Avenues, NYC, circa 1910. Pink granite, with base: 152 x 86 x 52 in. (386.1 x 218.4 x 132.1 cm). Brooklyn Museum, Gift of Lipsett Demolition Co. and Youngstown Cartage, 66.250.1

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 4:50 PM

Allen the Britts can not take claim for that wording, but people in Mississippi USA used that expression many many many years ago, and it was punn used by happy people men or women, all meat and no potatoes, or all potatoes and no meat...lol it was a polite thing to say when in public......where exactly that expression originated who knows but its been used commonly among gay and straight friends I know........instead of being obscene or valgar in public....

 

Posted by: JC Findley on 05/09/2013 - 4:53 PM

You rock Roger, thanks....

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 4:54 PM

Oh BTW I only remember seeing one post, so does this mean someone in the discussion duplicated my post.....hummmm


oh I forgot its one of those bugs, I call them glitch....lol

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 05/09/2013 - 5:12 PM

ROFLMAO! Thanks again, Michael. England was established long before the US. No matter how long ago Mississippi used it, England was using it before it was even thought of as a state.

 

Posted by: Marcio Faustino on 05/09/2013 - 6:36 PM

So it means we can't access FAA when we are making a crap? lol

 

Posted by: Cynthia Decker on 05/09/2013 - 6:51 PM

'Meat and two veg' has replaced 'twig and berries' as my favorite euphemism!

I'm relatively new to the forums, but I don't see an issue with someone promoting themselves and trying to stay relevant and visible on a site that is designed to help artists promote themselves, stay relevant and visible. Just an observation. *shrug*

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 7:23 PM

@Marcio, if you have a PC you are in tough luck, lol

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 7:24 PM

Ok I agree, you are 150 percent correct on that one...lol

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 7:26 PM

@Dan has posted a discussion page to show your veggies, lol

 

Posted by: Michael Hoard on 05/09/2013 - 7:26 PM

@Dan has posted a discussion page to show your veggies, lol

All I have to post is a potato from Mississippi which does look like Richard Nixon....lol

this is a untouched photo its a potato with eyes, a nose, mouth, and a pimple or blimish.....

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Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 05/09/2013 - 7:28 PM

May we keep this to a slightly sensible thread. It actually has some good points I do not want lost in jokes.

 

Posted by: John Lyes on 05/09/2013 - 10:26 PM

All rules are meant to be broken

 

Posted by: Jenny Armitage on 05/09/2013 - 10:46 PM

John,

Go start your own website or blog or something. Anything.

I'm not offended by nudity, or sex, or masturbation. I've been known to engage in all three. But I'm here to sell and my paintings don't go with pornography. That's a different audience. And this site is not it.

Shock art is usually more shock than art. Anyone can make a picture of shiting on the Bible, the Koran, on the a statue of Buddha. I could take a photo of my husband's penis, but it wouldn't be art, just a snap shot. It takes no skill to shock and one depiction is no more shocking than another and rarely more artful. Anyone can do a crotch shot with or without a stimulating hand. If one isn't any better than another, it ain't art. Mapplethorpe, was a brilliant photographer, whether shooting flowers or kinky gay sex. But there was a hell of a lot more there than shock to his images. They were brilliantly composed and beautiful There was skill involved beyond the shock. But it still wouldn't belong here outside the anti porn screen. People have a right to choose what they want to see. They may well want to see Mapplethorpe, but they don't deserve to have Mapplethorpe thrust upon them.

Take it where people expect to see it. Grow up.

 

Posted by: Roseann Caputo on 05/09/2013 - 11:36 PM

John - If all rules are meant to be broken please go to the nearest movie theatre, buy a ticket and go into the movie. Wait about a half hour after the movie has started and either yell "fire" or "gun." Let me know how breaking that rule works out for you.

 

Posted by: Jeff Kolker on 05/09/2013 - 11:57 PM

Or go to an IRS audit and tell them that "all rules are meant to be broken".

There are appropriate places for most things, but not every place is appropriate.

 

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