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Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/07/2013 - 5:23 PM

89 views, 2 votes, 2 tweets - one comment - no buyers

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Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 5:31 PM

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4,181 views no buyers...

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55 views. 1 buyer.

The point which has been made so many times in the discussions is that it takes exactly one view to equal a sale... the right view. The right person needs to find your work at the right time for them.

Or did I make a mistake in your intention for the opening post?


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 5:33 PM

I seem to be selling a lot of images with less than 20 views.



Posted by: Mo T on 05/07/2013 - 5:33 PM

389 views, 324 votes, 55 comments and also no buyers
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and this one was sold after 10 views and no votes at the time...
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Posted by: Jeffery Johnson on 05/07/2013 - 5:36 PM

So less views = more sales?


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/07/2013 - 5:37 PM

i had one sit for about 4 years on 3 sites and it finally sold. that image is rather new, what like a month or two. it takes many months and it still has to fit in with what people like to own. abstract is always a tough sell, impossible to keyword, hard to fit into a decor and there are so many against you.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: JAXINE Cummins on 05/07/2013 - 5:39 PM

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230 views, two contest winner, many comments, and finally a buyer this month. I am so happy.


Posted by: Mo T on 05/07/2013 - 5:40 PM

It's really hard to say 'cus there's also this "lucky" kind of images..."regular sellers" with lots of views,votes,comments and buyers :D...I'm sure Mike's around to post few examples that will rebut our beautiful theory LOL :P


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 5:42 PM

Not necessarily but maybe.

Views = interest. Views have nothing to do with competition though and has nothing to do with if someone would want that interest on their wall.

One of my highest viewed images has been on here for 18 months... Problem? a gazillion Brooklyn Bridge images for sale online and in Walmart... Result, sold a few cards.

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Then there is this, has 61 views now, had 17 when it sold at 36 inches. There may not be as many people looking for the Triboro Bridge but then, when they find it there are only a handful of choices.... AND people actually searching for it are doing so for a reason in general.

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Posted by: Angelina Vick on 05/07/2013 - 5:46 PM

Many sales I have had...less than fifty views.


Posted by: Vivian ANDERSON on 05/07/2013 - 5:47 PM

JC - you always make the most salient points......your choice of 'place' finds real visitors and buyers. In relation to this thread, I had (will reload soon) a painting about the Australian Gum Tree.......masses of views........and thrillingly, one sale only........because the image reached the heart and mind of a traveller to Australia....who had to have it for nostalgia, and maybe 'cause it is pretty too.....but, only one !! And, she spent a fortune on the shipping, on top of the print...........know your target audience, as you say.........

Gee, I love the Triborough Bridge image.........that's pure nostalgia for me! Used to be a sign for BlackJack Chewing Gum visible from the was always a comfort when I saw it....knew we were on our way Forest Hills........back some 67 years ago now.......


Posted by: Mo T on 05/07/2013 - 5:50 PM

OK now JC discovered another kind of "lucky" images...the ONE people are looking for a reason :D:D:D


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 5:51 PM

Then there is this, gets a lot of views especially around Halloween but would you want it on your wall?

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And to buck the trend, there are these two which are highly viewed and sell well...

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Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/07/2013 - 5:52 PM

last night i had a sale where they found me in the artist directory, so they were looking for me. everything was by site, no keywords or advertising, not sure where they came in from.

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this had less than 200 views, about 5 real keywords and sat around for years before it sold.

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2100+ views, pinned twice by someone else, no sales.

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1400 times, many pins, etc, i don't think i sold it here, i have in the past on other sites, but not here. seems popular fodder for pinterest though.

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200 times, one sale, i think it was around a 100 views when it sold.

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100 times, less when sold, it sat around for years, and years not selling in any other place sat around for like 4 years.

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about 3800 views, i think 1 sale. it's been around for a while.

i have some things that took a 1000 views, and i have other things that only had like 20-30. it all varies. and some take a long time to see.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Mo T on 05/07/2013 - 5:57 PM

and it brings us to "Chaos Theory"....LOL


Posted by: Lynn Palmer on 05/07/2013 - 6:00 PM

Views and comments seem to have little to do with sales.

This image currently has 359 views and 22 comments, has won contests and has been featured in groups, but after nearly a year online it still has not sold.
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On the other hand this one has 71 views and 5 comments but it sold less than a week after it was posted with only a handful of views. It's not an artistic image but probably sold to a college graduate.
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Posted by: Loree Johnson on 05/07/2013 - 6:06 PM

My two most viewed images:

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588 and 554 respectively. Neither has ever sold.


Posted by: Ricardo De Almeida on 05/07/2013 - 6:17 PM

I've sold some products in other POD sites.

The strange thing is:

Some of them had 7, 4 and 3 views.


The other side of the story: other things had more views, zero comments and zero sales.



Posted by: Louise Reeves on 05/07/2013 - 6:30 PM

I don't think a single image of mine has had 50 views, let alone 90, haven't sold squat. I'm better off where I get a couple thousand views and a few sales-at street fairs.


Posted by: Gregory Scott on 05/07/2013 - 6:35 PM

22500 views, 2 sales:
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Posted by: Jeff Kolker on 05/07/2013 - 6:37 PM

I find no rhyme or reason to views vs. sales. But I do like to watch the numbers go up on views... not sure why.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 6:42 PM

I like that too, Jeff. :)


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 6:44 PM

That said, I see a direct correlation between total views and sales.


Posted by: Mo T on 05/07/2013 - 6:46 PM

'cus Math rules the World :D


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 6:49 PM

It does...

Didn't you see that Jody Foster movie where they spoke in math?


Posted by: Jeff Kolker on 05/07/2013 - 6:50 PM

What I need are more images ... a bigger portfolio, and a bigger fan base. Actually A fan base would be nice.... or a fan...


Posted by: Louise Reeves on 05/07/2013 - 6:52 PM

I lied. I have a gallery of motorcycles that is separate from the rest of my work and pieces in there have had more than 100 views. No sales.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 6:55 PM

JC, Do you mean Nell? I don't think that was math she was talkin'.


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 6:57 PM

It was her and Mathew Macanaha (however you spell ab boy) Don't know the name


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 6:57 PM

:) I was joking. I'm on trying to figure out which one you meant. :)


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 6:58 PM


Had to google it


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 6:58 PM

OH! Contact! The space one.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 6:58 PM

Same time. :) I forgot he was in that.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 7:04 PM

So JC, were you going to enlighten everyone with your Mathematical Calculations to Success?


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/07/2013 - 7:16 PM

many of these things are seen on other sites over and over, so the views we get here, are not the true view - provided the view was counted at all. for all i know the ones that have low views and high sales are the ones on blogs where people just stare at it salivating. and they have to buy it now or risk dehydration.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/07/2013 - 7:21 PM

No, you didn't make the mistake - 90% of all the views - which is now up to 99 - are bots - and as far as I've been able to determine - they don't have money


Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/07/2013 - 7:23 PM

Mike, mine aren't seen on any other site - and hardly on this one - I put StatCounter on my website - nada after a month - said not one view or visit - which "I" know ain't true - cause I watched one person in Utah pull it up from my card.


Posted by: Rebecca Sherman on 05/07/2013 - 7:23 PM

Poor Roy. Those bots are at least partly the result of people searching and will surely help that special someone find you. You'll see. Turn that frown upside-down.


Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/07/2013 - 7:26 PM

@ Lynn - the Gator Nation - they love Gator stuff. It's the hottest alumni set in the US. Even I would buy a print - if I didn't have one of my own.


Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/07/2013 - 7:30 PM

There is no correlation between viewers and buyers - and if you kick out the bot count - there might be. This image, I just plastered it all over twitter - I'll probably get a note from twitter to stop spamming "serious" tweets.


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/07/2013 - 7:33 PM

as i said, that's impossible, you have to have some views going to the main page. make sure to remove all the hard returns in the counters code. and if your work isn't being seen on other sites, get them on other sites. they may see you in one place, but prefer another.

the counter is a pain to install, it took me like 8 times before i got it right.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Joshua House on 05/07/2013 - 8:22 PM

Sell Art Online My most VIEWED piece (Ole Miss people like their campus, and this one's NOT of the Lyceum so its different) but it's never sold.

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Interesting side fact: After my photo of the Lyceum had been up on here for about 2 months Ole Miss marketing joined the site to promote on of their official photos of the building (which is a lovely piece) as well as an official shot of the stadium from the air and a few others. My photo of the Lyceum has about 9x more views.


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 8:24 PM

OK, there is no secret weapon to view count v sales but it is nice to know for a few reasons.

Anyway, I was at around 500 views per sale and that is site wide. This year it has been around 380/sale. Yes, that includes bots but it is consistent if you market consistently. For instance, Mike pushes his stuff more than I do and he gets more bot hits as a result. His view/sale ratio is higher but so is his daily view count so he still sells more than I do.

Since Bot and other artist's views remain pretty consistent the stats still work well.


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 8:26 PM

And oh, Gator nation.... blech


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Posted by: Lynn Palmer on 05/07/2013 - 8:41 PM

Oh-hh JC, don't go there...besides, I'd sell to the devil himself if he had money and liked my image.


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 8:43 PM

Oh, don't get me wrong, I have UF gator tags, I have FSU tags, I have Crimson Tide tags....


Posted by: Dave Dilli on 05/07/2013 - 8:50 PM

Ha! I think I have you all beat - by far. I think I have some kind of record.

6574 views, 101 comments, exactly ZERO non- family sales...

Do I get a ribbon or something?

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Edit - whoops. I see Gregory has about my same luck with his photo....


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/07/2013 - 8:54 PM

That surprises me Dave. As does Gregory's hummingbird.


Posted by: Dave Dilli on 05/07/2013 - 9:05 PM

I agree about Gregory's hummingbird. What a fantastic shot.


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/07/2013 - 9:05 PM

often some images are just lookers. but it's where you would place this in your home or office. the humming bird is nice, but would it go in a livingroom? maybe an office, but the person would have to like birds or humming birds and i'm betting there is strong competition for those. just like some of mine, they are lookers but don't always fit in anywhere. some pieces don't make great posters, but instead make a great shirt, mouse pad, keychain or the other things they sell on zazzle and the like. on that site i will sell one image as ties only.

some images don't thumbnail well, but they are interesting enough to click on, so they saw it, and left. mostly due to placement.

i bet if the hummer was sucking on a red flower, with a natural background, it would probably sell better. people will look at it as an example, but many might buy it if it popped more or had more vibrance. same with the sunflowers, they have an ethereal look, but the lack of color may turn off some people. i wonder if you had a different version that had more yellow if it would do better.

i think my fusebox shot sold after it saw the first 3000 views

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Roz Abellera on 05/07/2013 - 9:21 PM

Very cool painting. I'm sure someone into Astrology will buy it up eventually.


Posted by: Kiara Reynolds on 05/08/2013 - 1:03 AM

I find this very interesting :) art and buyers are so peculiar...


Posted by: Adam Jewell on 05/08/2013 - 1:51 AM

It would be really nice to have more insight into the process and steps people take leading up to a purchase. With various tracking tools (Omniture, Google Analytics, and similar programs) there is soooooo much to be discovered about browsing, shopping and buying patterns. Even just being able to see the keyword searches that led people to find images and buy them would be awesome. So far on FAA it is about 7,500 views per sale.

Has anyone who has "sponsored" keywords on FAA noticed that it made any difference in sales or even views?


Posted by: Kiara Reynolds on 05/08/2013 - 1:55 AM

Agreed I would like to know more too!


Posted by: Travis Logsdon on 05/08/2013 - 3:00 AM

Has anyone tried "Monkey See Monkey Do"? In other words buy your own cheap print so you appear in recently sold and see if that entices someone to take the plunge. After all if you won't buy it why would someone else?


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/08/2013 - 8:24 AM

if you buy your own, it won't show up under recent. and it might not show up (not all of them do), and it's in a cycle that randomizes each time. the best way is to get work off the site and show it in other places. the chances of one person scrolling down a 100 random images just to choose yours, on that one day, it's not that high. it's better to start a blog, or list it on other POD sites, graphic sites, etc. then people will associate the name.

online it's hard to do because there are so many other people against you, and people are side tracked easily. everything has to be done visually. advertising is a constant thing and doesn't yield instant success. it often takes a long time to just soak in.

i have sponsored words in the past and it does work. but they still have to notice your work and like it. last year i wasn't selling a number of topics and this year i am, i sponsored a number of words. but it's not a shoe in since there are some that have 100's of words. ideally you want to not have to rely on the search here. i have statcounter on my main page, i would love it on all my pages. but it tells me a few things:

people look for my name from google, or they come here and look it up in the artists directory. this means they are looking for me in particular because they saw me someplace else. further because i don't change my avatar that much, they can spot me in that directory.

many have used different versions of mike (it will only find the keywords i have in my bio and the page the counter is , i can't see other words). the other day someone types "fine art america mike" and i was number 1 for that. i'm not sure if that's what he was looking for though. many come from google, some from other searches. i get hits from the forum (people here), and sometimes from old threads from last year. many come from groups, presumably internal people, but they help too. and others come from contests and such.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: To-Tam Gerwe on 05/08/2013 - 9:12 AM

Hi Mike! To-Tam again asking for help. What is "bot"? The other day I have some one look at my site for every one of the pictures in 5-minustes? Is it "bot"? What is really mean. The person is from China.
Thanks, To-Tam


Posted by: JC Findley on 05/08/2013 - 9:23 AM


Bots are search engine "robots" that crawl the web and index it. They are how place like Bing and Google find your work.


Posted by: To-Tam Gerwe on 05/08/2013 - 10:24 AM

JC, thank you so much for your helpness. I went to dictionary to read about "Bots", but did not understand what it is try to telling me.
Your explaination is so much better and easy to understand!
Thanks, To-Tam


Posted by: Ann Powell on 05/08/2013 - 10:32 AM

13 views and 1 sale
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882 view 0 sales
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Posted by: Jenny Rainbow on 05/08/2013 - 10:39 AM

For today 1922 views. One greeting card, one small print....

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Posted by: Anjali Vaidya on 05/08/2013 - 11:14 AM

I got a buyer for this one after a long wait...


Posted by: MM Anderson on 05/08/2013 - 11:23 AM

This is my most viewed with no sales. 190 visitors, 23 votes, 15 comments.
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Posted by: Allen Beatty on 05/08/2013 - 12:23 PM

8,208 views and growing at the rate of about 200 per week, no sales nor do I ever expect there will be one. I leave it up because I am fascinated by interest it has and the "pleasure' it brings to so many.

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Posted by: Jane Linders on 05/08/2013 - 1:54 PM

56 votes, 1,527 views and featured in 3 groups. No sales yet.

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Posted by: Wilton Photography on 05/13/2013 - 10:55 AM

To JC,
Is there a way to tell the difference between bots, other members and potential buyers. I am getting some views, comments, faves, features and votes (although the votes don't always add up) and it is good to see any interest but it would be nice to know which views are from whose wanting to buy.
Many thanks


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/13/2013 - 11:20 AM

you can, usually they come from a specific location or they are all grouped up. usually many views in an instant is a bot. like it was 1 now it's 43 - those are bots probably. bots don't buy anything and the views itself won't tell you much anyway. all those other things your getting helps you in the search just a bit. you'll never know which are the buyers until you sell it. for now advertise your work and don't worry too much about the views - they may be looking at it on another site anyway.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Mike Savad on 05/13/2013 - 11:20 AM

so far my last 2-3 sales they were on for 3 weeks and have 100 views each when it sold. the numbers just don't tell you a lot.

---Mike Savad


Posted by: Brian Wallace on 05/13/2013 - 11:29 AM

Roy, you could always try a different price, or offer a discount.


Posted by: Roy Erickson on 05/13/2013 - 1:00 PM

Brian - I could - but no. I think discounts are a scam - unless you are giving a dollar amount off - and you cannot do that if you have multiple prices, different for different sizes. while I'm sure that some buyers would understand that we can only give a discount on OUR take of the sale - Many won't understand that 10% or 25% off is not on the total cost - less shipping and handling fees.


Posted by: Chuck Staley on 05/13/2013 - 1:25 PM

If I am buying a particular printer or a tank of gas, I look for the best price, for they are the same things at different prices.

Long before I ever knew or even thought about being an "artist" that creates single images, I bought art that cost a lot of money each.

It was never about the price. The price was the price. I had to have that piece of art. I think most art buyers are that way, and if they can't afford it right now, they will be back when they can. It took me as long as 3 or 4 years to save up for the artwork I wanted, but I finally got what I wanted.


Posted by: Wilton Photography on 05/16/2013 - 12:57 PM

Mike.....thanks for that info and for taking the time to help 'newbies' like me. Wendy


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