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I understand a blurry look, but would one of you *better photographers than me" please explain "noise." I keep reading that and not sure what I am to .....see . Is it some odd pixel look if it was blown up to a large size? What? And will customer support let one know ahead of time...before ordering?
noise is little dots on the image like rough sandpaper. it occurs in the shadow areas of an image typically. and almost always shows up if you brighten a dark image. that noise is then sharpened when it's sent here making it far worse. you can clean noise with noise cleaners typically. or try to shoot bright and darken it down, that kills a lot of noise.
usually by the end of the day someone will contact you with a piece of your image and tell you it's no good and to re do it. if you can't the image doesn't go through and you lose that sale. when you log on each time you will also see that nag screen. they don't respond back all that fast either i found. the customer has to buy it first, then before it goes to the printers, you'll get the note.
Wow Wendy, thanks! That's it in a nutshell ! Great artifcle.
Who on FAA would consider telling me/us , even if here on forum, a simple Yes/No Noisy ......Very Occasionally? The article leaves us no excuse for Noise, but even then, with my two cataracts, I'm still unsure.???
Ah ha, ( Vivian) our eyes tell us a lot on how we see what we do. Thanks Wendy, very good, only no reference on how scanners (if they do) contribute to noise! It sure would help if FAA, when accepting our works, would put a better ceiling of print (actual size) availability instead of showing that it can print to some higher size, which in fact it can't and which is very misleading to the artist/photographer.......cause if we lose a sale so does FAA, if it can't be fixed...IN TIME! Some fixes for some could mean finding "pronto".... another source to re-photograph a piece of art & per a print price, just might not be worth it. Now, a great many artists are not in the high level photography category, yet have great artwork and a fairly good camera, (or limited size scanner) to do their photograph of the works, yet others see ha, more noise,etc., which would hamper the print process/sale at least per a large size. I read more and more that many are not good enough to be here on FAA to sell prints. So....maybe just give up the premium part here and only use as a website for showing one's art. OR more who are photographers out there could offer help at a reasonable fee (a few do) to those needing a better photo copy of their art. And I am guessing some photographers have works on FAA which are also grainy, blurry, noisy and not up to par. So gulp! And perhaps if FAA declined some of the art people uploaded, then those artists would/could go to some other art site.
Read somewhere that some of the newer digital cameras are managing the "noise" problem better than older ones. True? Not everyone has a $1000 or much more to spend on a camera. I believe in being critical and approve of a high quality print of my works but according to the appearance of the art, which sometimes can show what almost looks like blur..on purpose, thus should that be rejected?.
It is wise for FAA site not send out a "bad" looking print to a buyer. But the guidelines here on FAA are confusing to say the least to those who upload their art. YES, there are guidelines and info on FAA, but then the uploaded piece is still accepted even if it was in the worst condition. So why? Also, I've read where the person should turn off the green resolution box....ha, now the buyer would know even less......So who has a better answer other than....drop your art site here for prints.
This is a very hard thing to do, since there is no standards, published by FAA as to what is too noisy. Also, there are many images that noise or grain have been added, as an artistic filter, by design and they get printed. Look at all the "Instagram" type images that have some "vintage" affect added and get sold.
I think noise is less an issue here, than poorly photographed artwork or even photographic images that have been uploaded. There are definitely images here that never should have been uploaded, much less offered for sale, than images with noise, that might hinder a sale.
If there were a standard and the new art could be judged by the standard, then maybe that might help artists to decide what gets uploaded, but even then, it could be skewed, by the viewer and used anyway.
yes the guidelines are a little confusing, especially when there aren't any until the time of the order. even an expensive camera will yield noise. and there are ways to control it both with software and technique. it's best to be aware of them. many people here upload things without ever looking up close at what they are trying to sell. many never notice that they are blurry or have tons of noise. much of my older stuff had some noise that i missed. however when it's uploaded here, that noise is actually sharpened a bit. i sold one that was really noisy, but i was able to fix it by redoing it, before they asked me to fix it.
Good points! (some want a touch of blur, soft lines not clear or super sharp and of course grainy ....noise, if that is it. So......Up until now I have not really looked that much at the sharpness,(or that res. green box thing) of images here. And amazed at the differences seen....by those with art/photographs that look blurry, at least at that res. green box part, and others with a bit of a blur (forget the noise part) and they are by high quality artists/photographers in some cases. Do as you feel is your best, and then try to present it here at the best quality you have to work with....camera or scanner.
We are all limited one way or the other, in my cases, a lot of ways!!!! But, if you use the equipment that you have, to it's best ability, low ISO, correct F-Stop/Aperture,tripod,shutter speed,etc., then that's all you can do. But what's important, is to try and do it right the first time and not have to go back, under stressful conditions(we can't print it the way it is, if you can't upload a better image, you will lose the sale). I know, Ihad one of those emails! Not fun!
And then then next hurddle, is to live with it!
"This is what I have, now, to work with, wish I had better gear, but I don't and until I do, I will accept the results I've produced so far!"
Boy, that was a pretty good statement, if I do say so myself!
just because the image is there doesn't mean it will print when it comes time. i probably have some others that won't print at large sizes. as i find them i try to clean them up just to prevent the dreaded letter. because if that happens and i'm on vacation, i'll lose that sale, and probably that customer.
no. there are so many uploads here every day it would be impossible. further, some things are printable at small sizes. so even if it's soft and noisy, it may make a fine card or 8x10, but nothing larger.
I sorta disagree with Mikie. FAA SHOULD be able to determine at the time of upload, if the image is soft,blurry,etc., but that process isn't part of this service. Just my opinion on what should be at the front end of the process,
i think it would be pretty hard. you would have to be able to judge all those things - by the thousand. and then there will be the argument that it's supposed to look like that, static, stars, softness, etc. and then who would determine if it's good or not. he would need a huge staff.
Re FAA doing the assessment for print, prior to accepting it to the site........the way I see it, FAA doesn't do this because FAA is not a stock site whose reputation relies on the quality of images seen/sold..........it is a POD site, for anyone and everyone.......and obviously isn't willing to take on the burden of reviewing new uploads....why?........because it is a POD site.......buyer beware/caveat emptor.............if you want your images vetted and listed among others where the Artwork passes muster...this is not the place........nor does it wish to be..........$$$$$$$$ for membership is money in the bank........upload (almost) anything....why not !!! .......that is the ethos of POD..........
I really do wonder why members expect anything more than the 'full/res'(Not) to help them initially? Get real, everybody.
It's 'DIY" promote,upload,contribute = POD
Thank goodness there are really kind,good,generous members among us who are always willing to advise,tweak,otherwise 'for the sake of' Art.......And my personal thanks to you who've been invaluable help to me. That is all voluntary.......FAA doesn't need to do it.......the money's in the bank with the membership fee. Read the Terms Of Service.
I always limit my point and shoot photos to a couple of sizes below the maximum at which it lets me price them. That said, I just got a nice new high resolution monitor at work. I was looking at some of my scanned film shots the other day, and I think I might remove some of them. It's hard to tell even when you blow things up in Photoshop or on the finder preview (Mac) if they are suitable for sale. I did sell a couple of scanned shots I was worried about but so far, never had anything cancelled....